Ex Jazz Men doing well in Playoffs - Whose Fault?
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No where was this more the case in that Playoffs series vs Spurs. DeMarre got shafted from Ty when Josh Howard got the start at SF even though DeMarre had been ON FIRE. Howard was a great big flop that series. We got off to a bad start and the team never recovered. Ty went to the BIG lineup with Millsap at the SF but by that time it was wayyyyy too late.
Ty loving them "Vets" biting us in the *** yet again.
Spinoza
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I love that this guy randomly makes up a false fact and gets people to have a debate over it.
Deron Williams - Having the least impressive playoff performance of his career, statistically.
Al Jefferson - slightly better in some stat categories, worse in others. At least he's doing better at FT's than his 1/4, 25% performance against the Spurs in 2012. (That's right 4 games, 4 total free throws). Hasn't won a game.
Kosta Koufas? Seriously? He's averaging 2 pts and 1.8 rebs in 6 minutes a game in the playoffs. Boom bitches.
Wes Matthews is having by far his worst playoff performance ever. 35% FGs, 17% 3PTs, 0.37 Ast/TO ratio. "Killing it".
Mo Williams is doing alright in his role and the Hawks players are all doing excellent, so at least the OP's claim isn't categorically false. But I'm starting to wonder if he started this thread just to see if anybody would fact-check him.
Deron Williams - Having the least impressive playoff performance of his career, statistically.
Al Jefferson - slightly better in some stat categories, worse in others. At least he's doing better at FT's than his 1/4, 25% performance against the Spurs in 2012. (That's right 4 games, 4 total free throws). Hasn't won a game.
Kosta Koufas? Seriously? He's averaging 2 pts and 1.8 rebs in 6 minutes a game in the playoffs. Boom bitches.
Wes Matthews is having by far his worst playoff performance ever. 35% FGs, 17% 3PTs, 0.37 Ast/TO ratio. "Killing it".
Mo Williams is doing alright in his role and the Hawks players are all doing excellent, so at least the OP's claim isn't categorically false. But I'm starting to wonder if he started this thread just to see if anybody would fact-check him.
Hantlers
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Ty was an average coach. Not nearly as bad as some here think he was, and not nearly as good as Franklin thinks he is.
He struggled with rotations, and it was obvious the players gave up on him towards the end. It was obviously time for him to go.
With that said, this thread, like all nickkkkk threads, is stupid.
He struggled with rotations, and it was obvious the players gave up on him towards the end. It was obviously time for him to go.
With that said, this thread, like all nickkkkk threads, is stupid.
And yet you are participating in it... so what does that make you??!!??!!!
Nah, it was to get a healthy discussion going which is what we do here on JazzFanz, and I'm also interested in the poll results which has proven to be pretty interesting so far. One of the closest polls we've had here from recent memory at least anyway.
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But so far as Matthews is concerned, he may be off offensively, but he's doing a great job guarding Harden, so he's putting so much effort defensively that it's probably affecting his offensive production.
This.
He's working his butt off every game guarding Harden and seems like he's doing a decent job of it.
I wonder how good the team would be if Favors and Millsap played together a lot. I don't remember how that line-up performed. That's the only nostalgia I have, tbh. Maybe Favors' defense could have covered for Sap.
People have to remember, the Jazz were trying to lose this year to hopefully pick up an All Star in the draft. This was absolutely a tanking year. The Jazz want to get back to the WCF, not just be a fringe playoff team.
People have to remember, the Jazz were trying to lose this year to hopefully pick up an All Star in the draft. This was absolutely a tanking year. The Jazz want to get back to the WCF, not just be a fringe playoff team.
Mo. Williams.
Wesley Matthews just ripped the ball out of Howard's hand lying on the floor & called a timeout.
Wow.. Matthews just won it for POR.
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Wes was unbelievable today.
The Thriller
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So what did we get out of trading away Wes Matthews, Mo Williams, Korver, Demarre, Paul, and Big Al?
Draft picks?
Draft picks?
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I don't think we got anyone for them. We let everyone walk except Matthews, who simply got a better offer that we didn't match.
We got 'flexibility'.
I blame Greg Miller. I don't know why more people aren't blaming Greg Miller. I've been meaning to write a lengthy post listing all of Greg Miller's crimes, but I haven't had the time to dig up the old articles to make sure I get my facts straight. If anyone else wants to start an anti-Greg Miller post, here's my list of bad things he's done...
Ever since he took over he hasn't been willing to spend money on anyone. The only time he did, it was when the Jazz matched Millsap's contract. He so kindly justified doing this by taking all the games of KJZZ and signing a contract with Root Sports (I think it was FSN back then?) Does anyone else remember this? They said they had to take all the games off KJZZ to afford Millsap's contract/go into the luxury tax.
I think his first move was trading Ronnie Brewer (a few weeks later they retired his jersey number...)
I think Millsap happened that summer (once again, I'm going off memory and haven't spent the time to figure out the timeline)
Matt Harpring and Eric Maynor were traded to same money (this move was probably worth it)
He threatened Jazz fans at the beginning of the year by saying "The Jazz will have a home in Utah as long as the fans deserve it"
He hasn't been willing to go anywhere near the luxury tax for the past two years and the Jazz have suffered because of it.
We didn't spend money on Kyle Korver and Wesley Matthews.
I'm sorry, I ran out of time. There are more crimes. Maybe I will revisit it. But with all the money the Jazz have saved by being under the luxury tax, they better make some big moves in the next couple of years. They haven't come close to putting enough money into this team. I've bought into the idea that they are developing young guys, but I've lost my patience with it. We need to see some commitment from the Miller family this year. They've been stingy long enough!
Ever since he took over he hasn't been willing to spend money on anyone. The only time he did, it was when the Jazz matched Millsap's contract. He so kindly justified doing this by taking all the games of KJZZ and signing a contract with Root Sports (I think it was FSN back then?) Does anyone else remember this? They said they had to take all the games off KJZZ to afford Millsap's contract/go into the luxury tax.
I think his first move was trading Ronnie Brewer (a few weeks later they retired his jersey number...)
I think Millsap happened that summer (once again, I'm going off memory and haven't spent the time to figure out the timeline)
Matt Harpring and Eric Maynor were traded to same money (this move was probably worth it)
He threatened Jazz fans at the beginning of the year by saying "The Jazz will have a home in Utah as long as the fans deserve it"
He hasn't been willing to go anywhere near the luxury tax for the past two years and the Jazz have suffered because of it.
We didn't spend money on Kyle Korver and Wesley Matthews.
I'm sorry, I ran out of time. There are more crimes. Maybe I will revisit it. But with all the money the Jazz have saved by being under the luxury tax, they better make some big moves in the next couple of years. They haven't come close to putting enough money into this team. I've bought into the idea that they are developing young guys, but I've lost my patience with it. We need to see some commitment from the Miller family this year. They've been stingy long enough!
Doublea
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Hindsight is pretty good though. I'd rather be in the situation we are now, then spending like the Pistons did. They are screwed for a while because they decided to pay a lot for some players. Now looking back we can say that they should have kept most of these players, but at least we have flexibility and cap space. I'm sure DL will be able to convince greg to go into the luxury tax once we have the right pieces in place.
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JFFR can't tell if your being serious or not, the first move Greg made on his own was re-signing CJ Miles that his dad said he wouldn't have and his first two seasons (AK's last 2 seasons) the Jazz were over the salary cap, something his dad never did. Why would you max out your cap when our rebuilding it messes up your flexibility and removes the possibility of trades that will net the Jazz 2x 1st round picks and 2nd round picks from GSW, besides the fact it is Lindsey who decides on who and when to spend the money the Millers just approve it, which Greg has shown he is willing to do. I think his dad was obviously a better owner but why let facts get in they way of our bitching.