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Gordon VS. Vonleh

Who do you pick out of these two?

  • Aaron Gordon

    Votes: 35 60.3%

  • Noah Vonleh

    Votes: 23 39.7%
  • Total voters
    58
Jazz4ever said:
Guarding SFs is certainly one of Gordon's selling points but you need more. Chris Singleton was an athletic defensive monster in college with PF size that projected to guard SFs. Well ya he can guard them in the NBA, but is a borderline bust that gets about 10 minutes a game because he just isn't an offensive threat.

per DX:

While Florida State combo-forward Chris Singleton will likely not receive any votes for ACC Player of the Year this season, there are few players in the country with his physical tools and NBA potential. Since arriving at Florida State, Singleton has been an equally frustrating and tantalizing player, capable of dominating one game and struggling badly the next. His boom or bust style complicates his NBA draft stock and is definitely worth watching as this season progresses. That said, there is no denying Singleton's potential.

At 6'8 with a NBA-ready frame, Singleton has outstanding size for an NBA small forward and, while he is a bit undersized for a power forward, he has great length to compensate. As we have mentioned before, his athleticism is outstanding, boasting NBA-caliber quickness, explosiveness, and fluidity. It is needless to say that Singleton looks the part, which makes his struggles at the collegiate level all the more frustrating.

Defensively, Singleton remains one of the most versatile players in all of college basketball. His athleticism, length and strength allow him to make a huge impact all over the floor, and you'll regularly see him switch between guards and big men over the course of a single game and at times a single possession.
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A couple huge differences between chris sileton and aaron gordon:

Aaron is the far better athlete, yes, it's true.

Singleton was a 37 Fg% and 31 3pt fg% in college, A. Gordon is a 49.5 FG%! and 35.6 3pt fg%, with a good looking form.

Singleton could not rebound (grabbed 3.2 pergame, compared to Aaron's 8.0!!)

Singleton couldn't pass, only averaging 0.6 AST over his three college seasons, compared to aaron's 2.0, which doesn't fully describe how good he was when considering how littl the ball was in his hands to make plays for others, due to the fact that he was a freshman on an already elite NCAA team.

A. Gordon averaged almost twice as many blocks and steals as Singleton.

Singleton's ceiling was Trevor Ariza, and his worst case projection was Dominic Mcguire. Aaron Gordon's comps have always been worst case Shawn Marion, middle case A. Kirilenko, and best case Blake Griffin.

Singleton was 24, which by NBA terms mean he was largely plateaued development wise. Aaron Gordon is 18, and one the youngest players in the entire draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Huge difference.




You guys who are scared of Gordon haven't come up with a single honest or accurate comparison to him yet.

So far, I've concretely refuted:

Corey Brewer
MKG
The Manimal
Chris Singleton


Please be somewhat accurate next time.
 
Sexual Favors said:
If he didn't have the ability to get into a stance, the hips, feet, and knees necessary to guard 3's. If he was a 1.5" shorter. If he was quite a bit less athletic. If he was going to be 21 on draft day, instead of 18. If he was a definite and extremely undersized C and PF, as opposed to an SF who could play situational PF. Didn't have the handles. Didn't have the court vision or passing ability. Etc. Then maybe you'd have an inkling of a point.


There are lots of players who have heart, excel at rebounding, and putbacks, but there are very very few who can do all the things A. Gordon can do, and who posess his body type, and are as young as him. Your comparison just isn't an accurate one.

A. Gordon is far superior to the "Manimal". Faried's ceiling is/ was that of a two story house. Gordon's is that of the tower of babel.
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Thee jazz fan said:
Post of the year. I'm on tapetalk, can someone rep Vermin for me?


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Really? You think A. Gordon is K. Faried? How?
 
Sexual Favors said:
A couple huge differences between chris sileton and aaron gordon:

Aaron is the far better athlete, yes, it's true.

Singleton was a 37 Fg% and 31 3pt fg% in college, A. Gordon is a 49.5 FG%! and 35.6 3pt fg%, with a good looking form.

Singleton could not rebound (grabbed 3.2 pergame, compared to Aaron's 8.0!!)

Singleton couldn't pass, only averaging 0.6 AST over his three college seasons, compared to aaron's 2.0, which doesn't fully describe how good he was when considering how littl the ball was in his hands to make plays for others, due to the fact that he was a freshman on an already elite NCAA team.

A. Gordon averaged almost twice as many blocks and steals as Singleton.

Singleton's ceiling was Trevor Ariza, and his worst case projection was Dominic Mcguire. Aaron Gordon's comps have always been worst case Shawn Marion, middle case A. Kirilenko, and best case Blake Griffin.

Singleton was 24, which by NBA terms mean he was largely plateaued development wise. Aaron Gordon is 18, and one the youngest players in the entire draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Huge difference.




You guys who are scared of Gordon haven't come up with a single honest or accurate comparison to him yet.

So far, I've concretely refuted:

Corey Brewer
MKG
The Manimal
Chris Singleton


Please be somewhat accurate next time.
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Ak and Marion not worth the 5th pick, and I in no way see Griffin in Gordon.


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Sexual Favors said:
A couple huge differences between chris sileton and aaron gordon:

Aaron is the far better athlete, yes, it's true.

Singleton was a 37 Fg% and 31 3pt fg% in college, A. Gordon is a 49.5 FG%! and 35.6 3pt fg%, with a good looking form.

Singleton could not rebound (grabbed 3.2 pergame, compared to Aaron's 8.0!!)

Singleton couldn't pass, only averaging 0.6 AST over his three college seasons, compared to aaron's 2.0, which doesn't fully describe how good he was when considering how littl the ball was in his hands to make plays for others, due to the fact that he was a freshman on an already elite NCAA team.

A. Gordon averaged almost twice as many blocks and steals as Singleton.

Singleton's ceiling was Trevor Ariza, and his worst case projection was Dominic Mcguire. Aaron Gordon's comps have always been worst case Shawn Marion, middle case A. Kirilenko, and best case Blake Griffin.

Singleton was 24, which by NBA terms mean he was largely plateaued development wise. Aaron Gordon is 18, and one the youngest players in the entire draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Huge difference.




You guys who are scared of Gordon haven't come up with a single honest or accurate comparison to him yet.

So far, I've concretely refuted:

Corey Brewer
MKG
The Manimal
Chris Singleton


Please be somewhat accurate next time.
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Your right on brewer, he's a way better shooter then Gordon, and isn't a liability on offense. After all Brewer did score 50 in one game. Let's see Gordon do that, and you can't do hack a Shaq on brewer either.


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Sexual Favors said:
Those are his worst case comps.

When people comp AK, they mean the young all-star form, healthy AK. Not the overpaid injured whiner.
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I don't see the same level of defense out of Aaron Gordon that I saw out of AK. Gordon averaged 1 block and .9 steals in college. I think AK is more like Gordon's ceiling than his floor.

Plus, I don't recall AK ever airballing a free-throw.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Worst case my ***. Those are best if anything.


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Not according to most scouts. Kid is 18 bro and already projects that as worst case.

I personally thinks comps are stupid, as they are almost never accurate. Evaluate in this order3

1. Heart --he has it in spades.
2. Measurements , body, and athleticism -- acrs this category.
3. Age for upside -- is youngest lotto player, and one of the youngest in whole draft
4. Mind --brilliant basketball mind
5. Skills --already checks out with elite skills in most categories. Shooting form looks good, but struggles with FT's, like a lot of young athletic kids his size havem and then turned it around.
 
Catchall said:
I don't see the same level of defense out of Aaron Gordon that I saw out of AK. Gordon averaged 1 block and .9 steals in college. I think AK is more like Gordon's ceiling than his floor.
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Gordon played out of position almost the entire season, and still held his own. AK is not his ceiling. As an SF, in the NBA where he could use his athleticism even more, he will beast out.
 
Sexual Favors said:
That's what you quoted as the "post of the Year."

So you didn't agree with Vermin?
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First I agree that you can't compare Gordon to KF, but that also can't compare Gordon to Grifin either. They are pf's. Gordon is a stretch4 that can't shoot, at least KF can guard bigger or smaller players, Gordon is too small, but I can see similar production which isn't worth the fith pick.


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Gordon looks not bad, but terrible on offense.

He airballed 3-ptrs. long by like 3 feet and airballed free-throws. He doesn't have the balance, body control or timing that AK had.

I think the Aaron Gordon talk surrounding the Jazz and Celtics is a smokescreen.
 
Aaron Gordon isn't a defensive stat hoarder like AK was either. He could easily average more blocks if he played less tight man-defense and took more chances.

Gordon will be a better man defender than AK ever was, no question.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Not according to most scouts. Kid is 18 bro and already projects that as worst case.

I personally thinks comps are stupid, as they are almost never accurate. Evaluate in this order3

1. Heart --he has it in spades.
2. Measurements , body, and athleticism -- acrs this category.
3. Age for upside -- is youngest lotto player, and one of the youngest in whole draft
4. Mind --brilliant basketball mind
5. Skills --already checks out with elite skills in most categories. Shooting form looks good, but struggles with FT's, like a lot of young athletic kids his size havem and then turned it around.
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You say you don't believe in giving comps, but that's exactly what you are doing with Gordon, and using them to prove your points. All you've done with this post is lose all respect and credibility with me on this topic, and there is no way Gordon compares to Grifin! They don't even play the same position! End thread!!


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Thee jazz fan said:
You say you don't believe in giving comps, but that's exactly what you are doing with Gordon, and using them to prove your points. All you've done with this post is lose all respect and credibility with me on this topic, and there is no way Gordon compares to Grifin! They don't even play the same position! End thread!!


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Sexual favors is always so lol
 
Catchall said:
Gordon looks not bad, but terrible on offense.

He airballed 3-ptrs. long by like 3 feet and airballed free-throws. He doesn't have the balance, body control or timing that AK had.

I think the Aaron Gordon talk surrounding the Jazz and Celtics is a smokescreen.
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Yet he shot 36% from deep on the year on 1.2 attempts per game. Not a huge amount of attempts, but a decent one. He has potential to get better as a shooter.
 
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