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Catchall said:
I'll go on record. I think Vonleh is going to be the pick if the Jazz stay at 5 and Exum is off the board. I think there's probably some interest in Smart, but the Jazz FO like Burks too much to surrender many minutes for Smart.

That said, I think the Jazz will fully explore scenarios to move up in the draft.

I think the Jazz have already known their relative draft position since January and have already debated the players under consideration. The recent trip to Europe was probably primarily to scout Saric to see if he's a factor in their decision.
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Welcome aboard the Vonleh bandwagon. PG_AB is driving and I'm the co-pilot. I started pimpin' Noah before the combine and official measurements. And my Vonleh "man crush" has only strengthened since then. Would the Jazz like to move up and get Embiid, Parker or Wiggins? Sure, who wouldn't! But I think the price is going to be too high.

DL was surprisingly candid in a recent interview the afternoon after he returned from LA (link was posted in the JazzNews forum). I'm paraphrasing, but he talked about being pleased the Jazz only fell one spot and how, after the combine and watching workouts, he liked the NBA bodies of a few players that would be available when the Jazz picked. He also spoke about doing what is best for the Jazz "long term" and telling prospects in the interviews what to realistically expect because the Jazz had good young players at every position.

I'm really not concerned about the Jazz trading down from #5. Whether it's Vonleh (my guess), Gordon or Smart, I think those three have emerged as the next best outside the top-4. And some would even place one or two of those in that group. Certainly there's a chance the Jazz could move down one or two spots if an offer presented itself, but I think DL wants to come away with a prospective all-star and any of those seven may qualify.

As for going to Europe, yes, Saric would have been scouted. But there are many others who might be considered at #23 or be "draft and stash" candidates at 35. Lindsey was there during the EuroLeague championship. DL has already increased the importance of int'l scouting. He did that last year. So, I think the trip was planned some time ago, not just in response to coaching need or anticipation of finishing in the 5-7 range.
 
Core4 said:
Welcome aboard the Vonleh bandwagon. PG_AB is driving and I'm the co-pilot. I started pimpin' Noah before the combine and official measurements. And my Vonleh "man crush" has only strengthened since then. Would the Jazz like to move up and get Embiid, Parker or Wiggins? Sure, who wouldn't! But I think the price is going to be too high.

DL was surprisingly candid in a recent interview the afternoon after he returned from LA (link was posted in the JazzNews forum). I'm paraphrasing, but he talked about being pleased the Jazz only fell one spot and how, after the combine and watching workouts, he liked the NBA bodies of a few players that would be available when the Jazz picked. He also spoke about doing what is best for the Jazz "long term" and telling prospects in the interviews what to realistically expect because the Jazz had good young players at every position.

I'm really not concerned about the Jazz trading down from #5. Whether it's Vonleh (my guess), Gordon or Smart, I think those three have emerged as the next best outside the top-4. And some would even place one or two of those in that group. Certainly there's a chance the Jazz could move down one or two spots if an offer presented itself, but I think DL wants to come away with a prospective all-star and any of those seven may qualify.

As for going to Europe, yes, Saric would have been scouted. But there are many others who might be considered at #23 or be "draft and stash" candidates at 35. Lindsey was there during the EuroLeague championship. DL has already increased the importance of int'l scouting. He did that last year. So, I think the trip was planned some time ago, not just in response to coaching need or anticipation of finishing in the 5-7 range.
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"NBA bodies" could refer to several people including Smart and Randle, as well as Vonleh. Just knowing how much the Jazz FO liked Derrick Favors, I have to think they like Noah Vonleh just as much. They're quite similar physically, and Vonleh is already developing decent offense.
 
Catchall said:
"NBA bodies" could refer to several people including Smart and Randle, as well as Vonleh. Just knowing how much the Jazz FO liked Derrick Favors, I have to think they like Noah Vonleh just as much. They're quite similar physically, and Vonleh is already developing decent offense.
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Yes, that's why I included Smart, Gordon and I guess you could put Randle in that mix as well. I like Randle's inside game and his intensity, but if the Jazz keep Favors, they need outside shooting. I tend to think (and I admit I'm biased) that Vonleh would be very tempting because Perrin has already said the Jazz are looking to add shooting to the team. Vonleh is the best shooter of all the players at 5-8, unless you consider McBuckets. I like McDermott; he's going to be a helluva 6th man, but he's NOT good value at #5.

I think the players with the most potential at #5 are Vonleh and Gordon. I'd be happy with either, but Vonleh is still my favorite.

Hotttnickkk said:
If they did that I think that's gonna make Kanter sulk for a week.... cos I don't think Vonleh can play SF (but Randle can).
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As for kkk's concern, I don't think there is one, tbh.

Vonleh isn't ready to be a starter nor play 30 mins per game. Did Marvin's presence at PF cause Kanter to disappear from the team? No. Enes still averaged almost 30 mins. Start Enes and Kanter, give them their 30-35 mins and Gobert and Vonleh play 15-18. The player who would disappear from the rotation would be Evans. Personally, I think Enes needs some competition. Light a fire under him to work hard on improving defensively. If he does, fantastic! The Jazz now have a solid 4-man group and can withstand injuries. If not, then Enes can be traded to a contender at the deadline. Or if Kanter wants too much, he can dealt in a S&T or the Jazz don't have to match an offer.
 
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i dont think ive posted this in a while, Vonlehs stats as a sophomore at New Hampton Prep school

18.4 points, 17 rebounds, 7 assists and 5 blocks a game
 
Bigs who can shoot are always very valuable and have a huge impact in the playoffs. In addition to creating a ton of space, they can always get an open look....

Sam Perkins
Toni Kukoc
Chris Bosh
Lamar Odom
Dirk obviously
LMA

Thing is, Vonleh isn't just a stretch-4. He can score in the paint, rebound, defend, fill the lanes, handle a bit, etc.
 
about the Vonleh/Bosh//LMA comparison

Aldridge has never shot more than .3 3point attempts per game.

Bosh never shot more than .6 attempts in Toronto. in 5 of 7 seasons there he had 25 3point attempts or less, heres his shot chart in Miami

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i was glad to hear that quote about Noahs range being well beyond the 3point line from Ryan Blake, senior director of NBA scouting operations.
 
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PointGod_AlecBurks said:
lol this has gotta be one of the funnier derailments of this thread. anyway ive gotta clarify something after the Biggie mention;

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Cheif Keef is an 18 y/o goon from Chicago, he gets arrested all the time, got caught in a stolen Ferrari in 2012. The newest crop of rappers from chicago all sound like they dropped out of elementary school, and they are really on some, turf war, gang related, shoot each other type ****.
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Is Keef actually autistic?
 
sojodave said:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...-NBA-Immediately-If-Drafted-By-Celtics-Lakers

Screw Saric, has he seen the Lakers and Celtics lately?
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Good for him. He wants to play in LA or BOS. Those are better franchises than any other in the top 10. If he's good enough to end up where he wants, then good for him. If he isn't good enough, then he won't get picked by those franchises and will have to decide if he wants to stay overseas or not.

I bet Kobe, Elway, Manning don't regret their decisions.
 
Catchall said:
I like the Lamar Odom comp and also see some of the finer points of Marvin Williams (defense, discipline, personality, etc.).
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Odom comp is bad. Odom had very good ball skills and a good basketball IQ. BBall IQ and feel for game where Odom's strengths and they are Vonleh's weaknesses.
 
Core4 said:
Welcome aboard the Vonleh bandwagon. PG_AB is driving and I'm the co-pilot. I started pimpin' Noah before the combine and official measurements. And my Vonleh "man crush" has only strengthened since then. Would the Jazz like to move up and get Embiid, Parker or Wiggins? Sure, who wouldn't! But I think the price is going to be too high.

DL was surprisingly candid in a recent interview the afternoon after he returned from LA (link was posted in the JazzNews forum). I'm paraphrasing, but he talked about being pleased the Jazz only fell one spot and how, after the combine and watching workouts, he liked the NBA bodies of a few players that would be available when the Jazz picked. He also spoke about doing what is best for the Jazz "long term" and telling prospects in the interviews what to realistically expect because the Jazz had good young players at every position.

I'm really not concerned about the Jazz trading down from #5. Whether it's Vonleh (my guess), Gordon or Smart, I think those three have emerged as the next best outside the top-4. And some would even place one or two of those in that group. Certainly there's a chance the Jazz could move down one or two spots if an offer presented itself, but I think DL wants to come away with a prospective all-star and any of those seven may qualify.

As for going to Europe, yes, Saric would have been scouted. But there are many others who might be considered at #23 or be "draft and stash" candidates at 35. Lindsey was there during the EuroLeague championship. DL has already increased the importance of int'l scouting. He did that last year. So, I think the trip was planned some time ago, not just in response to coaching need or anticipation of finishing in the 5-7 range.
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It's been established already that I'm co-pilot. Been pimping Vonleh since before the college season had ended and am on record saying he belongs on the first tier level with Parker wiggins and Embiid.


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Cyrone Torbin said:
Odom comp is bad. Odom had very good ball skills and a good basketball IQ. BBall IQ and feel for game where Odom's strengths and they are Vonleh's weaknesses.
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Vonleh's ball handling > Gordon's ball handling. Not saying Gordon's bad. Just Vonleh's even better.

Thee jazz fan said:
It's been established already that I'm co-pilot. Been pimping Vonleh since before the college season had ended and am on record saying he belongs on the first tier level with Parker wiggins and Embiid.


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Started pimping Vonleh last summer.
 
I'm likewise high on Vonleh, but no higher than 4 (realistically 5, I'll assume the Exum hype is warranted).

I do not see him in the same tier as Wiggins, Embiid, or Jabari. The physical tools and skills are there, and by all accounts he's extremely coachable. But he's got aways to go and don't know if he has enough "**** you" to his game.

I think Wiggins has miles to go as well, and has the same questionable assertiveness issues. But for as passive as he was at KU, he's got so much God-given talent he couldn't help being arguably the most productive freshman in the country. He's otherworldly as a physical specimen.
 
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