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Aaron Gordon, a No. 5 Pick?

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I think he's our guy.


Haha. Had to do a copycat thread. Cool workout vid of A. Gordon.

[video=youtube_share;jC52lEJGNo4]https://youtu.be/jC52lEJGNo4


These vids are always misleading, but he drains a bunch of 3's in it, and shows off a little of his handles.
 
I want Gordon on the Jazz too. I have no doubt he can play the 3. I think he would do wonders for his stock if he shot some FTs. I know the kid is going to work his butt off to get better.
 
Free throws is one of the easier things to fix in a players game. Its harder to try and fix defense, athleticism, and ball handling.....all things Gordon rocks at.

Aaron's ball handling skills are pretty damn good in that vid.
 
If they can't trade up for Jabari Parker, then I hope they sit tight and pick Gordon.

I love his attitude, hustle, defensive abilities, athleticism and work ethic. He'll be a work in progress, but I really think that his ceiling is the highest after Parker, Embiid and Wiggins. I'm not sure where I rate him and Vonleh for 4/5 yet, but I know that I have both over Exum/Randle/Smart/Saric at this point in the process.
 
I have not been high on Gordon up this point, but a workout video where he doesn't miss a single shot does wonders. I dunno. I'm not sure who I'd pick at 5 between Gordon, Smart, Vonleh, Exum. But I have a lot of confidence in Lindsay. I didn't feel the same about KOC.
 
Bentley, I support you in reconsidering Gordon, BUT, you do know these vids are edited, right? He does hit a few in succession, though.
 
Gordon at 5 makes the most sense to me. More sense than giving up the farm to trade up for Parker. His f/t seems fixable.
 
Don't we need our 3 to be a scorer?


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Who says he can't develop into that? He's got a big part of the package w/ his elite NBA athleticism, his great handles, his offensive rebounding, his above-the-rim play, ability to read the defense, strength for an SF, and decent jump shot?

W/O his FT struggles, would you question his ability to develop into an offensive threat @ the 3?

Also, this is probably our last chance to get a wing of his caliber from the draft. Next year, we will be lottery bound, but we won't be sitting at 5, and next year's draft doesn't have a bunch of elite wings. It has bigs, which is what everyone is saying we should take this year. I don't understand it.
 
Don't we need our 3 to be a scorer?


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He has too much upside, all around game, size, smarts, athleticism and grit at 18 years old to worry about him coming into the draft as a go to scorer. If his shot was broken then yeah, I might stay away, but it doesn't seem broken. Sit pat, draft him at 5 and develops his shot. In three years, he can be a great value with that pick.
 
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I don't really follow much of the college game until I get to looking at stats, more or less (admit it, so does the majority of everyone else), leading up to the draft. However, I remain skeptical about Gordon. Not necessarily that he can't be good and a significant player, but more that I'm skeptical about how non-complimentary his weaknesses are to our team. Previously, I've mentioned the JazzFanz Bonerz scale, which is essentially a ratio of athleticism:talent. I think if people are excited about Gordon, then that's fine. However, amidst that excitement, it's not necessary to have to feel obligated to believe they'll improve at something beyond a degree that is reasonable. Very often we talk about players developing some certain part of their game, one that they're not just poor at, but something they're not skilled at, at all. There are many components of the game and it's the amalgam that makes someone an NBA caliber player. Too often we assume that there's this magic where just because somebody is at a professional level overall, that each aspect of their game is of NBA quality. The point I'm getting at is that people typically can develop skills of which they already have and can improve upon. They typically don't develop something from nothing simply by some kind of NBA magic... or even by working with a shooting coach. Every year we thought AK was going to come back with a jumpshot because we thought all he needed to do was work on it over the off-season... or all he needed to do was work with Hornacek.

The bottom line is that Gordon's free throw shooting is on the level of pretty poor city league guys. This isn't a knock of Gordon because obviously he has a significant amount of talents and abilities that has advanced him despite that. But just because we may like the guy doesn't mean that we need to believe that he's going to "work hard" and become a decent FT shooter. We can accept that as part of his game and be ready for it without compromising our excitement or passion for him.

My feeling is that it's possible this guy could be a good accessory piece that could put you over the top. But you can't have a guy put you over the top if you don't have the pieces to get you close to the top to begin with. So, I'd rather pick up a guy that at least has that potential. Is he a rich man's Chris Singleton? Who knows.
 
I don't really follow much of the college game until I get to looking at stats, more or less (admit it, so does the majority of everyone else), leading up to the draft. However, I remain skeptical about Gordon. Not necessarily that he can't be good and a significant player, but more that I'm skeptical about how non-complimentary his weaknesses are to our team. Previously, I've mentioned the JazzFanz Bonerz scale, which is essentially a ratio of athleticism:talent. I think if people are excited about Gordon, then that's fine. However, amidst that excitement, it's not necessary to have to feel obligated to believe they'll improve at something beyond a degree that is reasonable. Very often we talk about players developing some certain part of their game, one that they're not just poor at, but something they're not skilled at, at all. There are many components of the game and it's the amalgam that makes someone an NBA caliber player. Too often we assume that there's this magic where just because somebody is at a professional level overall, that each aspect of their game is of NBA quality. The point I'm getting at is that people typically can develop skills of which they already have and can improve upon. They typically don't develop something from nothing simply by some kind of NBA magic... or even by working with a shooting coach. Every year we thought AK was going to come back with a jumpshot because we thought all he needed to do was work on it over the off-season... or all he needed to do was work with Hornacek.

The bottom line is that Gordon's free throw shooting is on the level of pretty poor city league guys. This isn't a knock of Gordon because obviously he has a significant amount of talents and abilities that has advanced him despite that. But just because we may like the guy doesn't mean that we need to believe that he's going to "work hard" and become a decent FT shooter. We can accept that as part of his game and be ready for it without compromising our excitement or passion for him.

My feeling is that it's possible this guy could be a good accessory piece that could put you over the top. But you can't have a guy put you over the top if you don't have the pieces to get you close to the top to begin with. So, I'd rather pick up a guy that at least has that potential. Is he a rich man's Chris Singleton? Who knows.

Not sure what the bolded part means. These players all have question marks. I'd much rather draft Gordon and take a chance on his shooting than draft any other player at 5 and take a chance on their flaws. Gordon's upside is greater imo and can be a more valuable piece to a contending team than the others.
 
A. Gordon isn't starting from nothing! He has a jump shot. He doesn't have FT's. If he has one, he can transfer the form to another with breaking down the form of the other.

Aaron Gordon isn't devoid of an offensive game. His efg% was .516, while Jabari's wa .511. His TS%, which takes his FT's into account, wass .503, while Jabari's was .558.
Obviously, Gordon is still effective offensively. At 18, and with an already decent jump shot , his FT's aren't doomed to be broken forever.
 
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