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What in the name of Cleveland is going on?

Gilbert loves drama. When there is not enough of it, he creates more.

What has been all the talk for the last week?

Cleveland doctors reveal Embiid foot problems.
Cleveland says Jabbarri looked slow and out of shape.
Cleveland supposed to be considering multiple offers for the #1 pick.

Gilbert saw the headlines tipping towards the players so he threw out this private plane deal to put his club back at the top of the ESPN ticker.
 
mellow said:
Gilbert loves drama. When there is not enough of it, he creates more.

What has been all the talk for the last week?

Cleveland doctors reveal Embiid foot problems.
Cleveland says Jabbarri looked slow and out of shape.
Cleveland supposed to be considering multiple offers for the #1 pick.

Gilbert saw the headlines tipping towards the players so he threw out this private plane deal to put his club back at the top of the ESPN ticker.
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Only thing he needs to do now is go out on the street with a sandwich board that reads, "Lebron, look at me. Lebron, are you watching?"
Think he'll take out a full-page ad if he gets Favors and Exum?

Center not afraid of getting physical: Check
A YOUNG Dwade: Check
All-star PG: Check
Quality PF: Check
Decent bench: Check
Dominant SF: That's you, Lebron

Cleveland, please join with me in supporting a hero's welcome for Lebron when he returns. Because I KNOW he'll return.
 
Probably just covering all their bases. I'm sure we are still in play with them but its probably not going to happen.

The fact that its a possibility will keep me up tomorrow, and probably tonight.
 
This makes no sense (or maybe just not to anyone else but Cleveland) unless they actually are considering trading down.
 
mellow said:
Gilbert loves drama. When there is not enough of it, he creates more.

What has been all the talk for the last week?

Cleveland doctors reveal Embiid foot problems.
Cleveland says Jabbarri looked slow and out of shape.
Cleveland supposed to be considering multiple offers for the #1 pick.

Gilbert saw the headlines tipping towards the players so he threw out this private plane deal to put his club back at the top of the ESPN ticker.
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Exactly. We need realize that their owner is a huge attention-whore and just stop talking about Cleveland.

Cleveland = Sports Hell

It's not Heaven and Hell. It's Heaven and Cleveland.

In the esteemed words of Joakim Noah. . .

[video=youtube_share;k5mAPRjc2k4]https://youtu.be/k5mAPRjc2k4
 
Since Exum likely won't fall to #5, I guess this could signal the end of trade talks with the Jazz?
 
This sounds like they might trade down with the sixers if they're bringing in exum
 
Revolution 9 said:
Probably just covering all their bases. I'm sure we are still in play with them but its probably not going to happen.

The fact that its a possibility will keep me up tomorrow, and probably tonight.
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The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is that they trade down.

Right now, Cleveland is dominated by Johhny Manziel. The Cavs can't go All-in on LeBron, miss out and not have picked the best player in the draft. In the end, they'll take Wiggins. It's been building for over a year. All the rest of this is smoke and mirrors.

If they get LeBron, even better. They'll have a bad-*** chip to barter with to put a veteran team around him. Wiggins on a rookie contract is worth a lot more in drawing a star to play along with LeBron than trading back and getting any collection of picks and players from Philly, Orlando or Utah.

My prediction is that they take Wiggins and only look to trade him IF they get LeBron and position themselves to get another star player.
 
I don't really get the exum draft by the cavs (if this happens) when they have dion and irving BUT IT'S THE CAVS AFTER ALL
 
What it tells me is that the Cavs really, really want to trade down. If they were locked in on a prospect, they wouldn't be going through the madness. Instead, they're desperate to acquire as many assets that can help them 'win now' or entice Lebron back - simple as that.
 
Avery said:
What it tells me is that the Cavs really, really want to trade down. If they were locked in on a prospect, they wouldn't be going through the madness. Instead, they're desperate to acquire as many assets that can help them 'win now' or entice Lebron back - simple as that.
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Let's say they do trade back to three. Do Thad Young, Dante Exum and Nick Stauskus/Gary Harris really entice LeBron into coming back? I don't see it.

How about if they trade back to four? Aaron Affalo, Noah Vonleh and Doug McDermott? Still no.

Trade back to five? Favors, Burks and Joel Embiid/Aaron Gordon has potential. . . but if it was so appealing, the Jazz would just try to get him for themselves.

The better move is to pick the most hyped star in a loaded draft and then wait to see what Free Agency brings about. Wiggins makes for a better asset after the draft for a team that's actually in a position to trade away a star player like Kevin Love. Betcha he's on board with that trade if LeBron goes there.
 
Shad said:
This sounds like they might trade down with the sixers if they're bringing in exum
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Not exactly. A good rule of all news released within 72 hours of the draft is to basically reject the news while considering the logic behind it.

We know:
1) Cleveland definitely wants to trade down. Not because we're hearing that, but because Cleveland is leaking a whole bunch of various 'potential deals' - they're trying to create a bidding war.
2) Cleveland doesn't want either Jabari or Wiggins so much as they want veteran talent - otherwise, they wouldn't be pursuing a trade (similar to the Bucks - no gossip out of them, because they're keeping the pick.)

We can guess:
3) They want Favors. They need a big man and he's clearly the best big man asset that's available to them in a swapping of picks.
4) They know the Jazz want #1 and may act out of desperation.

Thus, every action they're doing is an attempt to either:

A) Get the Jazz to give up their first round pick next year, after which a deal can be considered done.
B) Drive the offer from Orlando or Philadelphia high enough that it well eclipses the Jazz deal, even though Cleveland really wants Favors.

My guess is the deal gets done. Favors, #5, #23 for #1.
 
Shad said:
I don't really get the exum draft by the cavs (if this happens) when they have dion and irving BUT IT'S THE CAVS AFTER ALL
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Waiters was a problem last season. Not quite like Stephenson for the Pacers, but he and Irving clashed.
 
Flc said:
Not exactly. A good rule of all news released within 72 hours of the draft is to basically reject the news while considering the logic behind it.

We know:
1) Cleveland definitely wants to trade down. Not because we're hearing that, but because Cleveland is leaking a whole bunch of various 'potential deals' - they're trying to create a bidding war.
2) Cleveland doesn't want either Jabari or Wiggins so much as they want veteran talent - otherwise, they wouldn't be pursuing a trade (similar to the Bucks - no gossip out of them, because they're keeping the pick.)

We can guess:
3) They want Favors. They need a big man and he's clearly the best big man asset that's available to them in a swapping of picks.
4) They know the Jazz want #1 and may act out of desperation.

Thus, every action they're doing is an attempt to either:

A) Get the Jazz to give up their first round pick next year, after which a deal can be considered done.
B) Drive the offer from Orlando or Philadelphia high enough that it well eclipses the Jazz deal, even though Cleveland really wants Favors.

My guess is the deal gets done. Favors, #5, #23 for #1.
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And if that's the case, kudos to Lindsey. That's what he allegedly proposed and the Cavs wanted next year's pick instead - with no restrictions. Dennis knows it's likely to be a top-10 pick, so he didn't budge. Instead, knowing the depth of this draft, he made Burks available (I'm assuming INSTEAD of the #23). Cleveland probably values Burks, but not with just one more cheap year left on his contract. So now we've come back to the original terms. Lindsey knows damn well the Cavs REALLY need a BIG. Afflalo and Young were just bluffs.
 
Ellis269 said:
Trade back to five? Favors, Burks and Joel Embiid/Aaron Gordon has potential. . . but if it was so appealing, the Jazz would just try to get him for themselves.
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The James' family LIVES in Cleveland. Mrs. James LOVES it there. You also forgot that Trey Burke is not exactly Kyrie Irving. In addition, Varejao and Lebron are reportedly pretty good friends. If LBJ is going ANYWHERE OTHER than a big market it will be back to Cleveland. Or, he stays in Miami and takes the HUGE contract they can give him that no one else can.

Serious question here for GVC or Kenwood (or anyone else who knows). IF LBJ were to sign a short-term deal (say 2 years), could Cleveland then award him the same type of massive 5-year contract that he could now receive in Miami? Seems to me that would be the way to go if you want to go to a different team. Take a hit for 1-2 years (and you obviously buy insurance), then you get the 5-year MAX deal.
 
Core4 said:
Cavs trying to arrange a last-minute workout with Exum. Offering to use private jet to fly him there.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...ing-to-arrange-last-minute-dante-exum-workout

Can't see why they would want to draft him, even IF they trade down. Perhaps they feel an Exum/Irving backcourt could work.
Just because they're the Cavs, I want them to stay at #1 AND pick Exum. That would be so Cavalier of them.
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I think what it means is the Cavs are going to trade with either Philly or Orlando because they have two first round picks. Either Philly #3 and #10 or Orlando #4 and #12. They hadn't previously brought in Exum because they were going to draft Embiid, Parker or Wiggins. They may do nothing and use the number #1 pick but bringing in Exum is due diligence.
 
cowhide said:
I think what it means is the Cavs are going to trade with either Philly or Orlando because they have two first round picks. Either Philly #3 and #10 or Orlando #4 and #12. They hadn't previously brought in Exum because they were going to draft Embiid, Parker or Wiggins. They may do nothing and use the number #1 pick but bringing in Exum is due diligence.
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No way. It's a smoke screen. If they were really interested in that, it wouldn't be all over the news. That's how we know the Jazz are serious about Gordon at #5 if they don't move the pick. You make your bluffs public and keep your true intentions as close to the vest as possible.
 
Ellis269 said:
Let's say they do trade back to three. Do Thad Young, Dante Exum and Nick Stauskus/Gary Harris really entice LeBron into coming back? I don't see it.

How about if they trade back to four? Aaron Affalo, Noah Vonleh and Doug McDermott? Still no.

Trade back to five? Favors, Burks and Joel Embiid/Aaron Gordon has potential. . . but if it was so appealing, the Jazz would just try to get him for themselves.

The better move is to pick the most hyped star in a loaded draft and then wait to see what Free Agency brings about. Wiggins makes for a better asset after the draft for a team that's actually in a position to trade away a star player like Kevin Love. Betcha he's on board with that trade if LeBron goes there.
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What I know for sure: You've thought this through more than Dan Gilbert, times infinity. In fact-- and this is just based on last year's draft, of course-- I'm pretty sure everything he is doing is to carefully guard the element of surprise for when "the Cleveland Cavaliers, with the #1 pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, select... Cleanthony Early".
 
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