WOW hornets......3yrs 27million Lance Stephenson! wowowoowowoww so mad right now.

[Jamezz]

1st post! This is gonna be fun hehehe

‘Stockton said he would only play for the Jazz and then would meet with the owner and sign a deal. He made a demand in the summer of 1996 when tens of millions of dollars were flying around for free agent guards. He’d sign a $5 million per season deal, less than half of what other free agent guards were making, but he wanted to guarantee ice time in the Delta Center for his seven-year-old son’s hockey team.’

They just don’t make them like this anymore. Money helps yes, but it doesn’t guarantee happiness. Every year that passes money seems to take more over other values in the NBA. It’s turning into a GM vs. Agents more than anything, more business-like. The Spurs might be the last stance of what could be considered a team with a personality of it’s own due to players sticking around for years. Players taking pay cuts for the sake of their Spurs.

And hey, Hayward is in his right to try and make the most money he can, all I’m saying is that I see him with different eyes than I see Favors for example, always making it clear that he wants to stay. IMO, it’s not just about a player’s talents basketball wise but also about how he fits with the team in terms of team culture, chemistry and how bad you want to stay in a certain place or not. Hayward hasn’t shown me but a will to make as much money as he can and none of the other… That’s my issue with Gordon Hayward.

 

[gomretat]

I am betting Stephenson is wishing he would have said yes to Indy but who knows. Bottom line, he got what the league thinks he is worth - so evidently the whole league has a boy scout issue. The fact that it took him this long to find a home says it all. The real Hayward comparison is Parsons.

 

[phippsj]

1st post! This is gonna be fun hehehe

‘Stockton said he would only play for the Jazz and then would meet with the owner and sign a deal. He made a demand in the summer of 1996 when tens of millions of dollars were flying around for free agent guards. He’d sign a $5 million per season deal, less than half of what other free agent guards were making, but he wanted to guarantee ice time in the Delta Center for his seven-year-old son’s hockey team.’

They just don’t make them like this anymore. Money helps yes, but it doesn’t guarantee happiness. Every year that passes money seems to take more over other values in the NBA. It’s turning into a GM vs. Agents more than anything, more business-like. The Spurs might be the last stance of what could be considered a team with a personality of it’s own due to players sticking around for years. Players taking pay cuts for the sake of their Spurs.

And hey, Hayward is in his right to try and make the most money he can, all I’m saying is that I see him with different eyes than I see Favors for example, always making it clear that he wants to stay. IMO, it’s not just about a player’s talents basketball wise but also about how he fits with the team in terms of team culture, chemistry and how bad you want to stay in a certain place or not. Hayward hasn’t shown me but a will to make as much money as he can and none of the other… That’s my issue with Gordon Hayward.

Funny how we want these guys to be super start athletes, competitive right up to the point of earning a contract. Then they better put their competitive nature on hold and sacrifice millions to stay in Utah and play for our team.

How many of you, honestly, would turn down millions of dollars because it would give your fans a warm fuzzy feeling? Next time he hits a three, we'll all cheer. Then when he clanks it we'll all boo. You telling me we would ignore his faults if he signed for $9M? No, we'd all be here going "can't believe he can't do this or that, for $9M a year he should be willing to learn".

Stockton was one in a million. You just can't compare others to him on any level. We were blessed to have had him here, and hopefully everyone enjoys and relishes those memories.

 

[The Midnight]

The key is not to have a whole team of knuckleheads. Good orgs can usually absorb a couple. We've had Kirk Snyder, Robert Whaley, and others that were worse people with far less upside. You could get rid of Lance in a New York minute at 27 mill over 3.

May be DL doesn't want to pollute Exum so early on with ANY Lance.

 

[The Midnight]

But Stephen Jackson was?

Yeah because they had seasoned Vet like Tim Duncan and Ginobili to right the ship. There is already a culture there, while we're still trying to build a culture here.



Not same thing.

 

[Zombie]

^
This.
If he starts causing locker room trouble who on our team is going to command enough respect to get him to shape up?

 

[Yell42]

Hayward is a much better player than Stephenson

 

[Elizah Huge]

9.2 per mil with the Hornets opposed to 8.8 mil with the Pacers.

Who knows maybe he just didn't want to play with the dysfunctional Pacers anymore.

Big Al and Kemba with MJ as a owner just might sound good to him.

 

[Jamezz]

Funny how we want these guys to be super start athletes, competitive right up to the point of earning a contract. Then they better put their competitive nature on hold and sacrifice millions to stay in Utah and play for our team.

How many of you, honestly, would turn down millions of dollars because it would give your fans a warm fuzzy feeling? Next time he hits a three, we'll all cheer. Then when he clanks it we'll all boo. You telling me we would ignore his faults if he signed for $9M? No, we'd all be here going "can't believe he can't do this or that, for $9M a year he should be willing to learn".

Stockton was one in a million. You just can't compare others to him on any level. We were blessed to have had him here, and hopefully everyone enjoys and relishes those memories.

Yeah, that comparison was too extreme, I basically just wanted to make a 1st appearance on Jazzfanz after a few months of just looking in from the outside.

But still, I'm on the GH being overpaid wagon.

 

[Shocker00]

Also, there is no chance that Stephenson would want to play in Utah. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

Link???

 

[The Midnight]

1st post! This is gonna be fun hehehe

‘Stockton said he would only play for the Jazz and then would meet with the owner and sign a deal. He made a demand in the summer of 1996 when tens of millions of dollars were flying around for free agent guards. He’d sign a $5 million per season deal, less than half of what other free agent guards were making, but he wanted to guarantee ice time in the Delta Center for his seven-year-old son’s hockey team.’

They just don’t make them like this anymore. Money helps yes, but it doesn’t guarantee happiness. Every year that passes money seems to take more over other values in the NBA. It’s turning into a GM vs. Agents more than anything, more business-like. The Spurs might be the last stance of what could be considered a team with a personality of it’s own due to players sticking around for years. Players taking pay cuts for the sake of their Spurs.

And hey, Hayward is in his right to try and make the most money he can, all I’m saying is that I see him with different eyes than I see Favors for example, always making it clear that he wants to stay. IMO, it’s not just about a player’s talents basketball wise but also about how he fits with the team in terms of team culture, chemistry and how bad you want to stay in a certain place or not. Hayward hasn’t shown me but a will to make as much money as he can and none of the other… That’s my issue with Gordon Hayward.

Yeah good post.


Agreed with the last paragraph. I had an avatar of Gordon Hayward since he was drafted. Then last year when Favors signed the extension, but Hayward reportedly asked for too much - I've decided to change it. Hayward seems like a nice guy - but lately he's too much about the 'money' and less about the 'team'.


That's OK if you're a bonafide superstar, but even guys like Dirk and Duncan, and even the big 3 in Miami had to take less than MAX to compete.

 

[Jeditiger]

WOW 9/per year.

......why...did...we...match...

wowoowowowowowoow

i just punched a giant hole in my wall.

brickward....awesome....BRICKWARD....COOL MAN. DL IS FAIL.

Dude. Stop. I don't want Stevenson anywhere near my Jazz. And I'm sure our FO didn't either.

 

[Jeditiger]

That's OK if you're a bonafide superstar, but even guys like Dirk and Duncan, and even the big 3 in Miami had to take less than MAX to compete.

Yeah but they shouldn't have to. And I really can't stand everyone who is berating a guy for getting paid for his services. Its what helps make Jazz fanz seem petty and clueless.

 

[Shocker00]

Players that have had known character issues before playing with the Jazz:

Kirk Snyder
Luther Wright
Dee Brown
Robert Whaley
Olden Polynice
John Drew
Brandon Rush

Feel free to list any that I missed. I been hearing the Jazz won't take players with character issues since 1982 when I first started watching them. These are players that had known issues before playing with the Utah Jazz, so saying they won't take someone with character issues is simply wrong.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah but they shouldn't have to. And I really can't stand everyone who is berating a guy for getting paid for his services. Its what helps make Jazz fanz seem petty and clueless.

I love the talk about the players having to be altruistic for the benefit of the team. They aren't fans they are employees. The billionaire owners beat up on the millionaire owners and now the top talent are expected to take a pay cut or they aren't team players.

What guys like Dirk do is great for the team but shouldn't be expected especially not of guys signing their first big contracts. Also, some of these guys get side deals where the organization takes care of them after retirement. Cuban will take care if dirk in other business deals. Not sure we will ever see G-time Hyundai.

 

[CAKAR]

I forgot the Marvin signing. Charlotte just quietly assembled one of the better wing defenses in the game with Marvin-MKG-Stephenson. They're going to win a lot of games by getting stops late and feeding it to the best Player in the NBA. BIG-AL JEFFERSON.

They were already top 5 defense, yes?

jes. I agree with you bro...

 

[Coach Ellis]

I love the talk about the players having to be altruistic for the benefit of the team. They aren't fans they are employees. The billionaire owners beat up on the millionaire owners and now the top talent are expected to take a pay cut or they aren't team players.

What guys like Dirk do is great for the team but shouldn't be expected especially not of guys signing their first big contracts. Also, some of these guys get side deals where the organization takes care of them after retirement. Cuban will take care if dirk in other business deals. Not sure we will ever see G-time Hyundai.

Owners can always spend up to the luxury tax and beyond if they need to. They're owners for a reason. Personally, I think that it's crazy that teams don't better utilize rookie contracts. You have a good four years of cheap labor, and then the right to match any offer that comes your way. I mean, it's nice and all to go out and get free agents. . . but if I were an owner, I'd be making damn sure that my front office is drafting and developing players as well as possible.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I'm fed up with this story....you don't win championships only with good personality players! The head coach is not paid to manage only players with good attitude, if a coach has personality he can manage difficult players too!

Charlotte made a huge deal and the Jazz screwed up with a ridiculous contract!

Yep, the Jazz has Stephenson for the taking but chose Hayward instead.

That's exactly how it happened.

There are a lot of unsubstantiated assumptions being thrown around in this thread.

 

[Jeditiger]

Yep, the Jazz has Stephenson for the taking but chose Hayward instead.

That's exactly how it happened.

There are a lot of unsubstantiated assumptions always being thrown around in this forum.

FIFY. That's Jazz fanz in a nutshell.

 

[The Midnight]

Yeah but they shouldn't have to. And I really can't stand everyone who is berating a guy for getting paid for his services. Its what helps make Jazz fanz seem petty and clueless.

LOL .. pretty sure the Heat wouldn't have won the 2 championships if they haven't each taken a bit less. Same thing goes with Duncan, he still could have gotten MAX in the open market but he's chosen to take less to play. Same goes with Dirk this year who will be the 3rd most paid on the Mavs as he wanted them to stay competitive.


That's the system we're all playing under. If everyone wants absolute MAX, you just won't win.


If you don't realise this, I'm pretty sure that makes you the 'clueless' one.