Israel Commences Ground Invasion into Gaza.

[DutchJazzer]

a nice video from bloomberg regarding faa stupidest decision since legalizing sexual asuualt

https://edition.cnn.com/video/data/...itzer-bloomberg-israel-gaza-conflict.cnn.html

 

[addictionary]

I like the way you bring a new perspective to the debate and you certainly have valid points. Especially about the Hamas. However, aren't you shading the state terrorism of Israel?

Since September 29, 2000:

** 131 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,661 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis.

** 1,134 Israelis and at least 7,428 Palestinians have been killed.

** 8,600 Israelis and 59,737 Palestinians have been injured.

** Zero or very few Israelis are possibly being held prisoner by Palestinians, while more than 6,000 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.


Similar death numbers more or less in a chart.

These numbers also do not include the sizable number of Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care due to Israeli road closures, curfews, the Israeli closure of border crossing from Gaza, etc.




I also have my sympathies for the Israeli people who have to live under the fear of Hamas, I was truly sad to read the story of you in the scary moments thread. But living under the fear of the IDF in your own territory, not even counting the times that IDF goes berserk like these days, must be a true hell as well. Besides the IDF, not to mention that, many many settlers who in the West Bank are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1s3Qt-Tm5I

(activate the captions for English subtitles)

You can watch the rest of the video on youtube. Basically the Israeli soldier pats on the shoulder of his fellowman and threatens to arrest the home owner for provocation, which in his eyes, is nothing but only having your flag on the roof of your own home in your own lands.

Btw, I know the idiot in the video doesn't represent the Israelis but seeing how the IDF and the crowd around stand by their fellow countryman in a trespassing attempt, I can't even imagine me and my family living in such environment. It must be a non-stop fear on you for your family and home.

But nevertheless, although I truly feel sorry for all the sufferers of the conflict, my main grievance within the all Israel-Palestine case, is the unconscionable double standards, hypocrisy, and terrifyingly lopsided and unproportional view of the rest of the world about Palestine, especially the situation of the media in the states.

Wow ****.

Even the Holy Wars did not cost to anyone more than whatever PKK cost to us.

 

[Stoked]

Hamas has rejected a cease fire until Israeli and Egyptian blockades on the Gaza strip are lifted.

 

[GVC]

 

[ema]

Wow ****.

Even the Holy Wars did not cost to anyone more than whatever PKK cost to us.

Sad but true. And I share your reaction.

Though, we shouldn't make mistake by directly comparing the issues. The life of the Palestinians is a constant hell comparing to the southeastern Turkey. Besides, you are probably comparing the popular number of 30K. That number is for over 30 years vs the 12 years here. The number of civilians killed by the PKK is around 5K(mostly Kurdish people ironically) and the number of soldiers/rangers killed is about 7K. The rest of the 30K are the mountain terrorists. However, I know you would want to count the Turkish soldiers and the rangers in the loss and I would strongly agree.

But still, the oppression in Palestine is on another level, the numbers just don't justify it.

 

[Hax0rs]

"An Israeli professor has suggested rape as a military strategy. The way to deter "terrorists," according to Dr. Mordechai Kedar of Bar-Ilan University, would be "the knowledge that their sister or their mother will be raped.” Kedar is a professor in the University's Arabic Department, a research fellow at the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, and a past chairman of the Israel Academia Monitor organization.

Some Israeli feminists sent a letter to Bar-Ilan University president Rabbi Prof. Daniel Hershkowitz, complaining of Kedar’s “words of incitement that grant legitimacy to Israel Defense Forces soldiers and Israeli civilians to commit rape.” Kedar and Bar-Ilan issued a joint statement saying that he didn't really mean it.

https://forward.com/articles/202558/israeli-professor-suggests-rape-as-terror-deterren/#ixzz38CkiXwaG

Sick people man, really sick people.

 

[DutchJazzer]

https://forward.com/articles/202558/israeli-professor-suggests-rape-as-terror-deterren/#ixzz38CkiXwaG

Sick people man, really sick people.

not condoning that.
maybe he was misqouted.


but if you understand certain muslim followings he is righ as in it will deter(not that they should do it).
just saying with honor killings and such, this would deter some of those hamas dudes.

again i'm not syaing israel or any army should do it.
just saying it might reduce it a bit

 

[Hax0rs]

not condoning that.
maybe he was misqouted.

He wasn't misquoted, he later tried to retract it, but the damage has been done

but if you understand certain muslim followings he is righ as in it will deter(not that they should do it).
just saying with honor killings and such, this would deter some of those hamas dudes.

again i'm not syaing israel or any army should do it.
just saying it might reduce it a bit

Get back to me when your mother or daughter is raped, then tell me how you really feel.

 

[♪alt13]

https://forward.com/articles/202558/israeli-professor-suggests-rape-as-terror-deterren/#ixzz38CkiXwaG

Sick people man, really sick people.

You left out a bit.

A joint response with spokeswomen from Bar Ilan stated that he “did not call and is not calling to fight terror except by legal and moral means.” It also said Kedar “wanted to illustrate that there is no means of deterring suicide bombers, and using hyperbole, he gave the rape of women as an example. In order to remove all doubt: Dr. Kedar’s words do not, God forbid, contain a recommendation to commit such despicable acts. The intention was to describe the culture of death of the terror organizations. Dr. Kedar was describing the bitter reality of the Middle East and the inability of a modern and liberal law-abiding country to fight against the terror of suicide bombers.”

 

[fishonjazz]

He wasn't misquoted, he later tried to retract it, but the damage has been done




Get back to me when your mother or daughter is raped, then tell me how you really feel.

If someone told me not to do something or else my sister would be raped, then i definately would not do whatever it is that they dont want me to do..... cause i wouldnt want my sister to get raped.

So like dutch said, it might be affective. Dutch didnt say he thought that anyone should be raped, just that threatening with rape might be affective (it sure as hell would be an affective threat against me)

 

[ema]

You guys are unbelievable.

Not that he's right... he's not saying that they should do that... I'm not saying they should do it... but it would be effective... Threatening like that would reduce it blah, blah.

Unbelievable.

A ****ing professor talking like this. A ****ing professor! He doesn't even emphasize that they shouldn't do that. Only his defenders do.

“I’m not talking about what we should or shouldn’t do. I’m talking about the facts. The only thing that deters a suicide bomber is the knowledge that if he pulls the trigger or blows himself up, his sister will be raped. That’s all. That’s the only thing that will bring him back home, in order to preserve his sister’s honor.”

Not surprising one bit that he's an ex-IDF. He served for IDF Military Intelligence for 20 years.

 

[fishonjazz]

You guys are unbelievable.

Not that he's right... he's not saying that they should do that... I'm not saying they should do it... but it would be effective... Threatening like that would reduce it blah, blah.

Unbelievable.

I was just stating a fact without being emotional. Thats all.

Do i want anyone to be raped? No i dont.

Hope that makes you feel better

 

[DutchJazzer]

Get back to me when your mother or daughter is raped, then tell me how you really feel.

let me say this certain cultures will rain hell down.
but what ui know from some/most of muslim cultures. they might not risk it.

no need to go and bring it personal.

 

[DutchJazzer]

If someone told me not to do something or else my sister would be raped, then i definately would not do whatever it is that they dont want me to do..... cause i wouldnt want my sister to get raped.

So like dutch said, it might be affective. Dutch didnt say he thought that anyone should be raped, just that threatening with rape might be affective (it sure as hell would be an affective threat against me)

they might call their bluff.
but did not say they should threathen with it. i said it might deter it from what i know from their culture

 

[DutchJazzer]

You guys are unbelievable.

Not that he's right... he's not saying that they should do that... I'm not saying they should do it... but it would be effective... Threatening like that would reduce it blah, blah.

Unbelievable.

A ****ing professor talking like this. A ****ing professor! He doesn't even emphasize that they shouldn't do that. Only his defenders do.



Not surprising one bit that he's an ex-IDF. He served for IDF Military Intelligence for 20 years.

I was just stating a fact without being emotional. Thats all.

Do i want anyone to be raped? No i dont.

Hope that makes you feel better

so, i cant state fact. because that fact is heinous and despicable?
that censorship bro. seriously i tried to be respectful in stating the fact.
then i get attacked by haxors and ectya.

ooh well thats the world we live in people telling others waht they cant do and cant say

 

[One Brow]

If someone told me not to do something or else my sister would be raped, then i definately would not do whatever it is that they dont want me to do..... cause i wouldnt want my sister to get raped.

Actually, you would tell yourself that your sister would not be caught and raped, and then proceed to do what you were going to do anyhow. That's how humans behave, for the most part.

 

[fishonjazz]

Actually, you would tell yourself that your sister would not be caught and raped, and then proceed to do what you were going to do anyhow. That's how humans behave, for the most part.

Maybe so

 

[Stoked]

Actually, you would tell yourself that your sister would not be caught and raped, and then proceed to do what you were going to do anyhow. That's how humans behave, for the most part.

Eh, to a point yes. I think if it becomes a likely threat and not just a possible one then people will take notice and change their behaviour.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Actually, you would tell yourself that your sister would not be caught and raped, and then proceed to do what you were going to do anyhow. That's how humans behave, for the most part.

actually it depends on the culture and upbringing.
not every cultute is the same. eventhough usa likes to think that.

 

[bjunior]

https://news.sky.com/story/1303033/israel-launches-ground-offensive-in-gaza

Horrible day today.

this is nothing compared to 1 million civilians people killed in iraq in the name of 'democracy'