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Following potential 2015 draftees

PKM said:
For several years Calipari has hand-selected his recruits. Best recruiter in the history of the sport.. but others have really amped up their games. It's unreal how dominant the following schools have become;
UK
AZ
KU
Duke
UCLA (not sure Alford will be able to maintain like Cal, Miller, Self, and K, though)
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Hahaha its great that this site doesnt seem to have any UNC homers, its odd to see on a basketball forum.

At 6'7" 185 lbs I dont think anyone here will be in a rush to draft Justin Jackson(not to be confused with the Canadian Justin Jackson). Theo Pinson looks pretty good though IMO.

I guess you've relegated teams like UNC, UConn, Syracuse and Florida to the 2nd tier ??

Georgetown's recruiting seems to be headed in the right direction. I think they've set themselves up really well moving forward, they may be near that '2nd tier' (I hope Chance Commanche goes there)

Alford fell into a perfect situation and made it work, i wouldnt be surprised if they continue getting top players, momentum is on their side plus Im not sure if their 5 star guys are one and done's either. he was handed a bunch of NBA Players plus UCLA's having a bit of a resurgence with their football squad too, at this point UCLA is a pretty easy sell.

I've been saying Looney-Welsh-Bolden is a nice class, especially when you add in Isaac Hamilton to replace LaVine.
 
Based on their recent success UConn should find itself in a good position to recruit top recruits - Unless they're more content to play the longevity game and develop underrated 4 star guys.

Donovan should get more top recruits with all his grip he can get on player with his affiliation with USA basketball. Also like him as a coach and player developer. Much better than the Kansas school.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Hahaha its great that this site doesnt seem to have any UNC homers, its odd to see on a basketball forum.

At 6'7" 185 lbs I dont think anyone here will be in a rush to draft Justin Jackson(not to be confused with the Canadian Justin Jackson). Theo Pinson looks pretty good though IMO.

I guess you've relegated teams like UNC, UConn, Syracuse and Florida to the 2nd tier ??

Georgetown's recruiting seems to be headed in the right direction. I think they've set themselves up really well moving forward, they may be near that '2nd tier' (I hope Chance Commanche goes there)

Alford fell into a perfect situation and made it work, i wouldnt be surprised if they continue getting top players, momentum is on their side plus Im not sure if their 5 star guys are one and done's either. he was handed a bunch of NBA Players plus UCLA's having a bit of a resurgence with their football squad too, at this point UCLA is a pretty easy sell.

I've been saying Looney-Welsh-Bolden is a nice class, especially when you add in Isaac Hamilton to replace LaVine.
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Yes, from a recruiting standpoint I see the others behind those I listed at the moment.
speaking of UNC... I DON'T see how they survive this academic scandal, benefits, and obstruction, without major sanctions... and it wouldnt surprise me if Williams abruptly retires for "health reasons" to save face.

BTP said:
Based on their recent success UConn should find itself in a good position to recruit top recruits - Unless they're more content to play the longevity game and develop underrated 4 star guys.

Donovan should get more top recruits with all his grip he can get on player with his affiliation with USA basketball. Also like him as a coach and player developer. Much better than the Kansas school.
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I like Donovan as a floor coach a lot. Player developer he's average. Tough to recruit to IF, actually, because it is SUCH a football school. Even in their back to back NC years there was little fan interest.
 
PKM said:
I like Donovan as a floor coach a lot. Player developer he's average. Tough to recruit to IF, actually, because it is SUCH a football school. Even in their back to back NC years there was little fan interest.
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Last time I checked the players didn't get any share of the admission fees. The scouts are there all the time and when I look at recent Florida guys entering the NBA, they've been the most professional athletes IMO(Current NBA players are Beal, Bonner, Brewer, Calathes, Haslam, Horford, Noah, Lee, Mike Miller, Parsons, Speights and Patric Young)

He even managed to keep Chris Walker in check. He didn't make news a single time after returning to the team even though he barely played.

And as you said great on the floor coaching.

If I'm a young prospect looking at it form this angle, I'm like:

He makes me look good on the floor, he helps me look good off the floor, he either recruits good work ethic kids or helps them develop it.
 
If I compare that situation with Kansas:

Bill Self plays his weird passive "pass the ball around the perimeter and see what happens" system regardless of personnel.

And I think player development in college is overstated. You're so limited in the time that you're allowed to work with guys.

Quick learners and gym rats will get the reps in themselves without coaches being present and the rest waits until the NBA to develop.
 
BTP said:
Last time I checked the players didn't get any share of the admission fees. The scouts are there all the time and when I look at recent Florida guys entering the NBA, they've been the most professional athletes IMO(Current NBA players are Beal, Bonner, Brewer, Calathes, Haslam, Horford, Noah, Lee, Mike Miller, Parsons, Speights and Patric Young)

He even managed to keep Chris Walker in check. He didn't make news a single time after returning to the team even though he barely played.

And as you said great on the floor coaching.

If I'm a young prospect looking at it form this angle, I'm like:

He makes me look good on the floor, he helps me look good off the floor, he either recruits good work ethic kids or helps them develop it.
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Im not interested enough in the topic to debate it.. but I will say that the kids do care that there's not much fan support.. some like it.. most don't.

Self sucks and is a choke artist.
 
PKM said:
Im not interested enough in the topic to debate it.. but I will say that the kids do care that there's not much fan support.. some like it.. most don't.

Self sucks and is a choke artist.
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Cal's there. Somewhere. Shedding a tear.
 
PKM said:
Im not interested enough in the topic to debate it.. but I will say that the kids do care that there's not much fan support.. some like it.. most don't.

Self sucks and is a choke artist.
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No need to. Just wanted to give you my opinion how I view the program from the outside..
 
BTP said:
No need to. Just wanted to give you my opinion how I view the program from the outside..
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Cool. I appreciate it, actually. I only meant that it wasn't important to me to convince you differently.
Generally speaking, though, Donovan is generally thought of (by media, other coaches, etc) as a fantastic floor coach, but not necessarily a good player development coach.
 
How high of a pick do you honestly see us potentially getting in this draft? Adding Okafor or Towns would be bawse, but I don't see how we could possibly be as bad as we were last year.
 
spycam1 said:
How high of a pick do you honestly see us potentially getting in this draft? Adding Okafor or Towns would be bawse, but I don't see how we could possibly be as bad as we were last year.
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Right now I'm thinking around #8. +/-1

I agree, we need to add another cheap big with great upside. Fwiw, there are a ton of talented bigs entering the draft over the next few years.
 
PKM said:
Right now I'm thinking around #8. +/-1

I agree, we need to add another cheap big with great upside. Fwiw, there are a ton of talented bigs entering the draft over the next few years.
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Going by last season's records, the #8 and #9 teams (prior to the lottery) finished with 29 and 33 wins. The #12 team had #37 wins. The year before, 34 wins resulted in only the 12th-worst record. I HOPE the JAzz don't get a top-10 pick. If they do, it means there are more holes than we thought.
 
Core4 said:
Going by last season's records, the #8 and #9 teams (prior to the lottery) finished with 29 and 33 wins. The #12 team had #37 wins. The year before, 34 wins resulted in only the 12th-worst record. I HOPE the JAzz don't get a top-10 pick. If they do, it means there are more holes than we thought.
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This isn't our year.. '17/'18 is the season we're building towards.
 
spycam1 said:
How high of a pick do you honestly see us potentially getting in this draft? Adding Okafor or Towns would be bawse, but I don't see how we could possibly be as bad as we were last year.
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The Cavs beg to differ.

I think Towns is a real special talent. Going by Centers only(i.e. excluding Davis) I think Towns is the most skilled Center prospect at his age since Greg Oden. I'm just going by his wide array of skills, considering the stage of his development of them and how each of them might translate.
 
BTP said:
The Cavs beg to differ.

I think Towns is a real special talent. Going by Centers only(i.e. excluding Davis) I think Towns is the most skilled Center prospect at his age since Greg Oden. I'm just going by his wide array of skills, considering the stage of his development of them and how each of them might translate.
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Yes.. his skills are incredible. He needs to hit the weights hard and get in top shape. I mean for the NBA..

His slight lack of conditioning can be hidden this year at UK because I doubt anyone gets more than 20min/ at the 4/5 spots.
He's not lazy, though.. he's just been working more with skill coaches than working on his endurance. Rock will change that. (Rock Oliver is UK's S&C coach)
 
I'm thinking the Jazz end up in the late lottery somewhere in the teens, I'd sign up for most of the top 10 players right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahBfXM8S16I
 
PKM said:
Srsly? Why so much optimism?
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It's probably a ****ty answer but I like our players. /shrug

Steve Novak is actually one of my favorite college players ever, its hilarious to me that hes landed on the Jazz. If there was footage of him TORCHING Rudy Gay's #2 UConn team for 41 and 16 rebounds i'd have posted it about 10x by now, he was pulling up for like 38 footers It was ridiculous.

Trevor Booker is $$

The depth of the roster seems greatly improved, I have $ on Exum winning ROY, Hood was a gift, Lucas = Addition by subtraction.

Contract year bump for Burks and Enes? Its possible

If Burke and Hayward improve their shooting %'s that would have a big impact.

The Jazz have a ton of moving parts, hopefully they can win like 7 out of their first 10 home games and establish a comfort level early, This roster seems built to withstand injuries much more than last year.


Im pretty familiar with these projected top 10 players next year, for some reason i have a gut feeling that its not wise to expect one, feels like a pipedream, especially the top 7 players on Dx's mock.

Rudy Gobert and Kristaps Porzingis in the same front-court would be crazy though...
 
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PointGod_AlecBurks said:
It's probably a ****ty answer but I like our players. /shrug

Steve Novak is actually one of my favorite college players ever, its hilarious to me that hes landed on the Jazz. If there was footage of him TORCHING Rudy Gay's #2 UConn team for 41 and 16 rebounds i'd have posted it about 10x by now, he was pulling up for like 38 footers It was ridiculous.

Trevor Booker is $$

The depth of the roster seems greatly improved, I have $ on Exum winning ROY, Hood was a gift, Lucas = Addition by subtraction.

Contract year bump for Burks and Enes? Its possible

If Burke and Hayward improving their shooting %'s that would have a big impact.

The Jazz have a ton of moving parts, hopefully they can win like 7 out of their first 10 home games and establish a comfort level early, This roster seems built to withstand injuries much more than last year.

Im pretty familiar with these projected top 10 players next year, for some reason i have a gut feeling that its not wise to expect one, feels like a pipedream, especially the top 7 players on Dx's mock.

Rudy Gobert and Kristaps Porzingis in the same front-court would be crazy though...
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Wait, are you claiming the Jazz now? What happened to not being a Jazz fan?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Wait, are you claiming the Jazz now? What happened to not being a Jazz fan?
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Do you have issues with reading comprehension? Or just a selective memory?

Its funny. Your pathetic trolling has been relegated to making up your own details, and portraying them as truth. I take that as a compliment, you are obviously beaten if you've reduced yourself to those tactics.
 
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