Zach Lowe on Trevor Booker

[tleikheen]

He'd be good in Sloan's flex at the high post/elbow.

Your 3 or 4 years behind the times here Duck.............#2 Booker is just turning 27 and Kanter just turning 22 and Booker is still nothing special in passing being older .Good players get better and with a new passing offense Kanter gets a WAY better offense to pass in than Corbin's simple offense.
Besides that Kanter will be the beneficiary of the passes,being on the scoring end.That's why Kanter is there and Booker won't.

 

[GVC]

It could be said that Kanter's NBA career is Big Al-esque right now, but that has more to do with how he has been used, rather than what he has potential for. Also, Al was a year older and played 600 or something more minutes his first three years.

Al wasn't a year older. They both entered the NBA at 19 (Al was about 4 months older).

Through 2 seasons, their respective numbers were pretty similar. Jefferson's game (at least as far as the numbers are concerned) took a big jump in year 3; Kanter's stagnated. It's unlikely Kanter ever develops into a player of Al's caliber.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Your 3 or 4 years behind the times here Duck.............#2 Booker is just turning 27 and Kanter just turning 22 and Booker is still nothing special in passing being older .Good players get better and with a new passing offense Kanter gets a WAY better offense to pass in than Corbin's simple offense.
Besides that Kanter will be the beneficiary of the passes,being on the scoring end.That's why Kanter is there and Booker won't.

You know why it was a simple offense, right? Kanter specifically and Favors as well refused to pass out of the flex high post other than to hand off to the guard when the lack of ball movement broke down the play. Defenses caught on to this and overplayed the few passing lanes Kanter was comfortable with, namely the weak side curl spot up. They then overplayed the screen/hand off and thus caused nothing but havoc. Corbin had no choice but to abandon the motion offense flex because it was 3 on 7. Offense was simple because Kanter and Favors can't play in any other offense.

 

[Jazz4ever]

After reading this article, if I'm Kanter, I get really worried. Kanter can't pass, he hasn't shown he can shoot the three, and he can't defend the rim. So, what exactly is he? Kris Humphries? Yikes. Hump is making, what, 3-4 million this year?

I think Favors is set as our starter. I think the other big will come down to Kanter or Booker, whoever can show they can stretch the defense with their shooting and passing. The problem is, Booker can pass but can't shoot. Kanter may be able to shoot, but can't pass.

And Booker can do none of this either, and is 4 inches shorter and 4 years older. Actually Booker can shoot decent, over 40% on his jumpers. So it would seem your post just went from being bad to awful.

 

[green]

The only fanz who say Booker would take Kanter's starting spot are the same fanz that are surprised Gobert improved from age 21 to 22,are the same fanz who think that Hayward doesn't have a chance to make the USA team. These same guys think that Kanter can't get better from age 21 to 22 as well .

Huh. I think Gobert has improved a lot. I have said over and over that Hayward makes the USA team. I think Kanter can get better. Doesn't mean he will. It just means that he has never shown he can pass effectively, he has never shown he can protect the rim, and he has never shown he can hit the three. According to this article, those are the three things big men have to do to get paid.

I never said he can't add those to his game. I've just said it's unlikely, and he only has a year to add all three. That is a tall task.

 

[green]

So Kanter is Big Al with a better fan club?

So far, Kanter has been a poor, poor man's Big Al with a better fan club.

 

[green]

apples and oranges unless / until you put them in the same environment.
Kanter is a better player in almost every aspect of the game or so I tend to believe but I like Booker.
I liked him when he was @ college, too.
I'll have to wait and make up my own mind about this new comparison.

Booker was the starting PF on a playoff team last year for 1/2 the season. Kanter was the starting PF on a team that won...one game? Two games? Kanter has world's of potential. World's of potential. BUT, if I have to pay Kanter 13 million per, today, and Booker 5? I'm not sure who I'd pick.

 

[green]

And Booker can do none of this either, and is 4 inches shorter and 4 years older. Actually Booker can shoot decent, over 40% on his jumpers. So it would seem your post just went from being bad to awful.

You've never seen Booker play. He is a better passer. He is a better defender. He is a better role player right now. You can have him start on a playoff team and he will be passable. You don't know if you can do any of that with Kanter.

What you do know about Kanter is not that amazing. He doesn't pass well, he doesn't play defense, he hasn't shown range.

What Kanter does have over Booker is potential and time. At the right price, you take Kanter over Booker every day of the week. If you are approaching 10+ million per with Kanter, make sure you can help him reach his potential, or he will make Gordon's contract look like a steal.

 

[Tarkanian]

You've never seen Booker play. He is a better passer. He is a better defender. He is a better role player right now. You can have him start on a playoff team and he will be passable. You don't know if you can do any of that with Kanter.

What you do know about Kanter is not that amazing. He doesn't pass well, he doesn't play defense, he hasn't shown range.

What Kanter does have over Booker is potential and time. At the right price, you take Kanter over Booker every day of the week. If you are approaching 10+ million per with Kanter, make sure you can help him reach his potential, or he will make Gordon's contract look like a steal.

BS!
Kanter is a way better rebounder, I know this!
He "may" prove you wrong and Jazz will benefit from that.
He is a way way way better scorer than Booker and bigger & stronger!
Booker is a midget in today's NBA.
(I have a liking for short PFs and Cs actually. Richard Scotts, Samardo Samuels and Dametri Hills of the world! Yeah, I am college basketball freak. and the one and only Paul Millsap. I was the first ever guy to mention Mansap on this forum when he as a junior at LATech. "Best kept secret of college basketball")

That all said, Kanter has some personal issues and I don't think he will be mature enough to realize the stakes. (that 10-65 M. pendulum).
I hope Booker with his toughness contribute immensely to the team and
may the better one start.

 

[tleikheen]

I hope Booker with his toughness contribute immensely to the team and
may the better one start.

Man what part don't you understand,Booker wasn't signed to start.Booker gets 5 million this year and only guaranteed 600 thousand next year.Kanter is going to be the starter ,you might not like it but better get use to it.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Man what part don't you understand,Booker wasn't signed to start.Booker gets 5 million this year and only guaranteed 600 thousand next year.Kanter is going to be the starter ,you might not like it but better get use to it.

I think it will be an open competition. Kanter is going to have to earn a starting role.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

We brought Booker in to be a thug on a team full of pretty boys. He comes with a calloused man-muscle or two to put in our faces. I expect him to shake and rattle some meat... as far as the big men go.

 

[The Midnight]

We brought Booker in to be a thug on a team full of pretty boys. He comes with a calloused man-muscle or two to put in our faces. I expect him to shake and rattle some meat... as far as the big men go.

LOL .. agreed with this. Hopefully even Favors could learn a thing or two from Booker's fighter demeanour.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Per tip-off yesterday, Locke said he asked Quin who the starters would be and Quin said we'll start with the returning five. There are more than five guys returning, but it is pretty obvious he wasn't including Ian Clark, and Jeremy Evans in those five. Kanter will start.

All you saying Kanter needs to earn his minutes are crazy. He needs game experience.

How I could see the rotation working:

C:
Favors -24 mins,
Gobert - 15 mins
Kanter - 9 Mins

48 mins total.

PF:
Kanter - 19 mins
Booker - 18 mins
Novak - 4 mins (who has also played SF)
Favors - 7 mins


48 mins total

SF:
Hayward - 28 mins
Hood - 16 mins
Novak - 4 mins

48 mins total

SG:
Burks - 26 mins
Exum - 12 mins
Hood - 4 mins
Hayward - 6 mins


PG:
Burke - 30 mins
Exum - 12 mins
Burks - 6 mins

48 mins total

Players' mins:

Favors - 31 mins
Kanter - 28 mins
Hayward - 34 mins
Burks - 32 mins
Burke - 30 mins
Gobert - 15 mins
Booker - 18 mins
Hood - 20 mins
Exum - 24 mins
Novak - 8 mins

Clark and Evans don't crack the roatation unless there is injury. I love Evans, but the reality is he has never developed the right skill set for his body type. If he came to camp with handles, defensive prowess for a wing, better passing, and a desire to score without his teammates telling him to, then obviously things are different. As for Clark, his release is just too slow and low, and he doesn't have PG skills. Things could change, but as of now, they aren't in the rotation.

Novak played 10 mins a game last year, and Booker played 21. Their mins have dropped slightly because of the team and conference they are now in, and what the objectives are for this team (player development). Novak particularly could see a lot of fluctuation in his minutes.

I see Exum eating into more of Burke's minutes at season's end, but think 24 mins a game is what it will round out to.

 

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Kanter doesn't need to earn his minutes? Saying that he does makes one crazy?

Okiee Dokee, brauggh

 

[Sexual Favors]

Kanter doesn't need to earn his minutes? Saying that he does makes one crazy?

Okiee Dokee, brauggh

He does, but not to the extent that some of you are acting like. He's already earned a certain chunk, and am sure will earn the rest. This is a contract year. Acting like he won't play is absurd.

 

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He does, but not to the extent that some of you are acting like. He's already earned a certain chunk, and am sure will earn the rest. This is a contract year. Acting like he won't play is absurd.

Nobody is acting like he won't play a lot of minutes. That's absurd.

But your campaign to enshrine Enes and celebrate all his accomplishments, and then coming onto jazzfanz to fight a strawman..... that **** is more absurd.

 

[Tarkanian]

Man what part don't you understand,Booker wasn't signed to start.Booker gets 5 million this year and only guaranteed 600 thousand next year.Kanter is going to be the starter ,you might not like it but better get use to it.

read again bro:.
Booker can and will start if he earns it.
Playing slots are not delivered according to contracts, u know!
Kanter should start, that must be the plan.
But if he does not care, now Booker may push him out of the starting five.

 

[fishonjazz]

C:
Favors -24 mins,
Gobert - 15 mins
Kanter - 9 Mins

48 mins total.

PF:
Kanter - 19 mins
Booker - 18 mins
Novak - 4 mins (who has also played SF)
Favors - 7 mins


48 mins total

SF:
Hayward - 28 mins
Hood - 16 mins
Novak - 4 mins

48 mins total

SG:
Burks - 26 mins
Exum - 12 mins
Hood - 4 mins
Hayward - 6 mins


PG:
Burke - 30 mins
Exum - 12 mins
Burks - 6 mins

48 mins total

Imo opinion, the way it will play out (and the way I would do it) is that favors and gobert will get all the minutes at center.
Kanter and booker will get the minutes at power forward.
Hayward and hood will get the minutes at small forward
Burks and exum well get all the minutes at shooting guard
Trey and exum well get all the minutes at point guard.

I don't see novak and Evans getting minutes unless it's a blowout or foul trouble or injuries.

I guess they might get minutes in rare situations but that is how I think the positions will go and how I think they should go

 

[Sexual Favors]

Imo opinion, the way it will play out (and the way I would do it) is that favors and gobert will get all the minutes at center.
Kanter and booker will get the minutes at power forward.
Hayward and hood will get the minutes at small forward
Burks and exum well get all the minutes at shooting guard
Trey and exum well get all the minutes at point guard.

I don't see novak and Evans getting minutes unless it's a blowout or foul trouble or injuries.

I guess they might get minutes in rare situations but that is how I think the positions will go and how I think they should go

I like the simplicity of this, but think there are some issues. Shooting is needed desperately on this team, so Hood and Novak will need to get some time. How is Hood to get any time if he is only playing the SF behind Max-money Hayward? Additionally, there will be nights where the matchup makes more sense for players to play their second best position rather than their normal one. Also, from what I gather, Quin's style of coaching is more positionless than I think we're accounting for. It's more about basketball players than positions. I think we'll see primary roles for players, as well as secondary roles, hence a fluctuation between positions.