Jazz players at the World Cup

[GVC]

So playing with Burks, Evans, Garrett gives more spacing than playing with Marvin, Hayward, trey, and Jefferson?

Interesting take

Playing him off the bench to minimize his minutes with Favors gave him more space in the post. You disagree?

 

[fishonjazz]

And, again, what do you or core4 mean by shooter? If you're talking spot-up 3-point shooter, he's not that bad, especially considering it was his first NBA season and he was recovering from a broken finger on his shooting hand. These qualifications are pretty meaningful given that core4 was talking about how Trey and Dante fit together.

I'm taking about shooting
Not spot ups, not off the dribble, not situational.

His SHOOTING has been poor in his nba career

 

[fishonjazz]

I was only addressing his point about the coach, not the makeup of the roster. What the ****?

He said kanter was stuck behind a loaded front court.
Then you mention that kanter was playing behind borderline all starts.

Seems like similar points to me

 

[GVC]

I'm taking about shooting
Not spot ups, not off the dribble, not situational.

His SHOOTING has been poor in his nba career

So...you mean field goal percentage without any concern for role/context. Worthless. Why even comment?

 

[fishonjazz]

Playing him off the bench to minimize his minutes with Favors gave him more space in the post. You disagree?

If you consider the bench unit to be better floor spacers than the starting unit, then sure

 

[GVC]

He said kanter was stuck behind a loaded front court.
Then you mention that kanter was playing behind borderline all starts.

Seems like similar points to me

Take a look at the part of his post I quoted and highlighted.

 

[fishonjazz]

So...you mean field goal percentage without any concern for role/context. Worthless. Why even comment?

I mean shooting.
Core4 said treys shooting has been poor.

Its true.
If you want to argue that his shooting has been good in certain situations then go right ahead

 

[fishonjazz]

Take a look at the part of his post I quoted and highlighted. **** you for trolling me again. You're an *** and a moron.

You highlighted the part about playing time.
ECTYA said that kanter didn't get playing time because of big al and millsap.

Then you said the coach didn't play kanter much 2 years ago because of big al and millsap.

You are a douche

 

[GVC]

I mean shooting.
Core4 said treys shooting has been poor.

And why did he make that statement? It had everything to do with his argument that Trey and Dante can't play together. If Dante is operating on-ball, and Trey is spotting up off-ball, what does it matter if Trey can't score at the rim or pulling up?

Is this that difficult to understand? Field goal percentage tells so little of the story on a basketball court. If that's as deep as you're willing to go, why even enter the discussion? You might as well be huffing glue and playing with yourself.

 

[GVC]

You highlighted the part about playing time.
ECTYA said that kanter didn't get playing time because of big al and millsap.

Then you said the coach didn't play kanter much 2 years ago because of big al and millsap.

My point was that Enes and Val played roughly the same minutes last season, and Enes was playing behind superior players the season before, so you can't fault Corbin for playing Kanter less than Val. Keep up.

 

[fishonjazz]

And why did he make that statement? It had everything to do with his argument that Trey and Dante can't play together. If Dante is operating on-ball, and Trey is spotting up off-ball, what does it matter if Trey can't score at the rim?

Is this that difficult to understand? Field goal percentage tells so little of the story on a basketball court. If that's as deep as you're willing to go, why even enter the discussion? You might as well be huffing glue and playing with yourself.

Reality is harsh. The point (pun intended) is that Burke was a poor shooter last season. And he showed very little improvement in his second SL. If that was the ONLY concern then I'd hope he'd improve it. But he's also short, plays slow and doesn't get to the rim (which negates the one thing he DOES do well...shoot FT's).

Trey is going to be a solid backup or a starter on a very weak team, nothing more. The sooner all of you realize this, the better. Fortunately, I think the FO already has and had no hesitation drafting Dante.

Needs to prove it.
So far, he's had a terrible rookie SL, a miserable rookie season and another ****-poor SL. When will he put this great shooting on display? Or is the answer that the Jazz just keep him from shooting until the last 5 mins of each game, when he's "clutch?"

LOL.
You know what, I'm a FANTASTIC shooter. I just need to be wide open from 5 ft. Shot selection, form - everything plays into whether or not you're a good shooter. In the end, it still comes down to the fact Trey has still not shown he can hit shots consistently.

I assumed you meant (spot up) jump shooter when you said shooter, especially since it's in regard to how he fits next to Exum.

A bunch of C4 posts.... none mentioning exum.

Then your post assuming he it's taking about exum

 

[fishonjazz]

What a crock of ****. Burke will probably end up being at least an average spot-up 3-point shooter at the 1. He can play off-ball just fine.

Post #295
Where you quote C4 as saying...... "trey Burke can't shoot"

 

[fishonjazz]

My point was that Enes and Val played roughly the same minutes last season, and Enes was playing behind superior players the season before, so you can't fault Corbin for playing Kanter less than Val. Keep up.

That's what ECTYA said too
So you, me, and ECTYA all agree.

 

[GVC]

I also think they were just being diplomatic by holding to the line that Burke and Exum can play in the same backcourt. They can't. Simple fact is Trey can't shoot.

Yo Fish, reading is fundamental. Jesus.

Seriously, what's your problem with me? I was having a decent convo with ECTYA. Why pop in with your snide "hello" comment at all?

 

[fishonjazz]

Yo Fish, reading is fundamental. Jesus.

You gvc
Quote the part of the post that says trey can't play with exum..... insured of simply quoting "burke can't shoot"

Quoting the right part of the post is also fundamental

 

[fishonjazz]

Seriously, what's your problem with me? I was having a decent convo with ECTYA. Why pop in with your snide "hello" comment at all?

I wasnt trying to be rude.
Just showing you that ECTYA agreed with you so there was no reason to try to tell him he was wrong

 

[addictionary]

Jonas is not better than Enes in all aspects of the game. Enes is a great offensive bigman. These guys are hard to come by. And he exploits it by not playing defense. No foul trouble. More ball time. Hate those kind of players myself. But he is the bigman that can go 25-12 or so every night if you go to him. But will he help you win? I doubt that. Not with that defense. His defense is so flawed that it shadows his offensive talents.

 

[GVC]

You gvc
Quote the part of the post that says trey can't play with exum..... insured of simply quoting "burke can't shoot"

Quoting the right part of the post is also fundamental

I assumed the guy who wrote the post would know what I was responding to. That I posted about context later makes perfect sense given core4's initial post. He initiated a conversation about Exum and Trey not being able to play with each other because neither can shoot. I took issue with the statement that Trey's shooting would be a problem in the duo, and then discussed why. You entered late without carefully reading the posts throughout the discussion.

 

[fishonjazz]

I assumed the guy who wrote the post would know what I was responding to. That I posted about context later makes perfect sense given core4's initial post. He initiated a conversation about Exum and Trey not being able to play with each other because neither can shoot. I took issue with the statement that Trey's shooting would be a problem in the duo, and then discussed why. You entered late without carefully reading the posts throughout the discussion.

Ya I never saw his original post.... only what you quoted. Then all of his other posts were only taking about treys shooting, with no relation to exum.
That's why it would have helped to quote the part about exum and trey playing together.

My bad

 

[GVC]

I wasnt trying to be rude.
Just showing you that ECTYA agreed with you so there was no reason to try to tell him he was wrong

We didn't agree. He stated that JV played on a team without a stacked frontcourt AND THEN stated that Corbin didn't give him enough playing time. If he was just saying the same thing, why say it twice? My point was that Corbin was not primarily at fault for Enes's perceived lack of playing time. In Years 1 and 2 he was behind superior, experienced players, and in Year 3 he played roughly the same number of minutes as Jonas. I then took issue with his statement that Enes was used incorrectly.

FWIW, I actually thought Enes should have been given more playing time in 2012/13. I don't think his PT was a problem AT ALL last season.