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Jazzfanz, I'm sorry!

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I love you to no end fishon, but my goodness, where to begin.

First, what is an ice beer? It's origins are from eisenbock which is a beer that is concentrated using a freeze-distillation technique. Basically you take a finished beer and slowly cool it to below freezing temps. The water begins to form ice chunks that are then removed, cool it a little further, remove more ice chunks, cool it more, remove more ice, etc. You can get a fairly potent beer this way. Not liquor levels of alcohol, but for beer you can get up pretty high.


My problem with that Icehouse is the claim that it is "ice brewed below freezing." That is such a load of crap it's hard for me to even read something like that. Brewing beer involves first mashing malted grains at somewhere between 140-160F (typically between 148-156F) to convert starch to sugar. You cannot produce fermentable sugars outside that temp range. Then it is absolutely vital that the wort produced during the mashing process be boiled. Not only are boiling wort temps required to extract alpha acids from the hops but grain contains a bacteria that would cause the beer to sour if it wasn't boiled (Berliner Weisse is a beer that intentionally allows those bacteria to sour the mash, but that's after mashing at between 140-160F), and finally DMS proteins need to be driven off. So there is no such thing as a beer brewed below freezing. Furthermore, brewing yeast comes in two major families, lager and ale. Lager yeast can ferment at lower temps than ale yeast can, down into the low 50s or even into the high 40s, but lower than that and yeast go dormant. Yeast cannot ferment a beer at below freezing temps.

But to each their own.



TL;DR

You're one of my favorite posters and I'm happy you have a beer you enjoy
 
franklin said:
you're the only homey who came back with full rep. I think Jason/Colton/Nate said enough with that about how much you mean to everyone.

#suckinittonight
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Nah, my rep power and level were at 0 yesterday. But I'm out of the rep game. I'm gonna pretend that feature doesn't even exist.
 
Gameface said:
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I love you to no end fishon, but my goodness, where to begin.

First, what is an ice beer? It's origins are from eisenbock which is a beer that is concentrated using a freeze-distillation technique. Basically you take a finished beer and slowly cool it to below freezing temps. The water begins to form ice chunks that are then removed, cool it a little further, remove more ice chunks, cool it more, remove more ice, etc. You can get a fairly potent beer this way. Not liquor levels of alcohol, but for beer you can get up pretty high.


My problem with that Icehouse is the claim that it is "ice brewed below freezing." That is such a load of crap it's hard for me to even read something like that. Brewing beer involves first mashing malted grains at somewhere between 140-160F (typically between 148-156F) to convert starch to sugar. You cannot produce fermentable sugars outside that temp range. Then it is absolutely vital that the wort produced during the mashing process be boiled. Not only are boiling wort temps required to extract alpha acids from the hops but grain contains a bacteria that would cause the beer to sour if it wasn't boiled (Berliner Weisse is a beer that intentionally allows those bacteria to sour the mash, but that's after mashing at between 140-160F), and finally DMS proteins need to be driven off. So there is no such thing as a beer brewed below freezing. Furthermore, brewing yeast comes in two major families, lager and ale. Lager yeast can ferment at lower temps than ale yeast can, down into the low 50s or even into the high 40s, but lower than that and yeast go dormant. Yeast cannot ferment a beer at below freezing temps.

But to each their own.



TL;DR

You're one of my favorite posters and I'm happy you have a beer you enjoy
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That was harsh.

Fishy.. call me bro. I'm here.
 
Gameface said:
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I love you to no end fishon, but my goodness, where to begin.

First, what is an ice beer? It's origins are from eisenbock which is a beer that is concentrated using a freeze-distillation technique. Basically you take a finished beer and slowly cool it to below freezing temps. The water begins to form ice chunks that are then removed, cool it a little further, remove more ice chunks, cool it more, remove more ice, etc. You can get a fairly potent beer this way. Not liquor levels of alcohol, but for beer you can get up pretty high.


My problem with that Icehouse is the claim that it is "ice brewed below freezing." That is such a load of crap it's hard for me to even read something like that. Brewing beer involves first mashing malted grains at somewhere between 140-160F (typically between 148-156F) to convert starch to sugar. You cannot produce fermentable sugars outside that temp range. Then it is absolutely vital that the wort produced during the mashing process be boiled. Not only are boiling wort temps required to extract alpha acids from the hops but grain contains a bacteria that would cause the beer to sour if it wasn't boiled (Berliner Weisse is a beer that intentionally allows those bacteria to sour the mash, but that's after mashing at between 140-160F), and finally DMS proteins need to be driven off. So there is no such thing as a beer brewed below freezing. Furthermore, brewing yeast comes in two major families, lager and ale. Lager yeast can ferment at lower temps than ale yeast can, down into the low 50s or even into the high 40s, but lower than that and yeast go dormant. Yeast cannot ferment a beer at below freezing temps.

But to each their own.



TL;DR

You're one of my favorite posters and I'm happy you have a beer you enjoy
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Fwiw, I know that icehouse sucks but it's cheap, packs a punch, and isn't horrible to drink which equals fantastic ;-)
 
fishonjazz said:
Fwiw, I know that icehouse sucks but it's cheap, packs a punch, and isn't horrible to drink which equals fantastic ;-)
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I haven't specifically looked at the price. What do those go for at the LQ? On oocasion I drink a PBR or whatnot. I've never actually had an icehouse.
 
I agree about a poker party, but I know that it will be rough to do with GF work schedule
 
The last Jazzfanz focused Gameface poker game has been played, I'm sorry to say.

If I can get enough scratch together I'd be up for a Wendover Poker Tournament road trip sometime.
 
Gameface said:
I haven't specifically looked at the price. What do those go for at the LQ?
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A dollar a beer. 24 bucks per case. 5 1/2 % alcohol.

I drunk about 5 or so and am good and drunk.

Don't particularly good..... but don't taste bad either. Just taste like most run of the mill beers (budweiser, bud light, coors, miller, pabst, etc etc)

I would much rather have one of the brews you make though.


Best beer I ever had was at this lodge I went to in Wyoming this summer.
It was called half moon brew and that lodge is the only place that sells it. It's made by a company called wind river brewing company and I went to thier brewery to try to buy some and they said that they only make it for that lodge
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Sup Gameface, really enjoyed this while I was on my holiday, have you ever tried?

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No, I haven't.

Unfortunately I didn't really get into any sort of craft beer until after I started homebrewing and I've been in Utah since then. There are some decent beers that can be had at the Utah State Liquor Store, but not really an extensive selection. Anything with limited distribution you can assume they won't have.

If only I had been into craft beers when I lived in San Diego...
 
Gameface said:
No, I haven't.

Unfortunately I didn't really get into any sort of craft beer until after I started homebrewing and I've been in Utah since then. There are some decent beers that can be had at the Utah State Liquor Store, but not really an extensive selection. Anything with limited distribution you can assume they won't have.

If only I had been into craft beers when I lived in San Diego...
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One of the nicest beer I've tasted (not counting your home brewing ones).
 
PKM said:
Where do you get it?
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https://www.beermenus.com/beers/stiegl-radler-grapefruit

Not sure if that helps. Someone mentioned Wendover so I used that and here's what showed up:

Available at 11 Places Near: Wendover, UT, USA

Nevada Ugly · Bar
16oz. Can for $6.50
327.5 miles away · Menu Updated: 07/30/2014

Crow's Feet Commons · Beer Store
16oz. Can for $4.00
436.4 miles away · Menu Updated: 08/06/2014

Wine Affairs · Bar
12oz. Bottle for $5.00
483.7 miles away · Menu Updated: 08/10/2014

Brotzeit Lokal · Restaurant
16oz. Can for $6.00
484.0 miles away · Menu Updated: 07/28/2014

and a few more all about 500 miles away...
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