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lol restaurant threathened to be sued by atheist.

One Brow said:
Yes, for pretty much every case Core4 listed.



The issue is that the restaurant is proclaiming, as part of a service available to the public, that members of the public who perform "x" are superior to members of the public who do not perform "x".
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If that is how you take that then that is on you. not the restaurant. Stop pushing your own insecurities onto others.
 
DutchJazzer said:
also.
donald sterling got outed for saying "racist" stuff in his private home.
he would also get ousted for saying "anti" gay stuff.
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He got ousted because his players were going to refuse to play for him, and his coach was threatening to quit over it. It was a business decision by the other league owners.
 
Hantlers said:
Oh yeah, I forgot this. Tell me why you disagree with this. Exactly why does it bother you that not everybody can get this discount? Because it's not fair? Because it has to deal with religion? Why does it bother you?
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Because it is a declaration that those who pray are special and deserve special treatment.
 
One Brow said:
Because it is a declaration that those who pray are special and deserve special treatment.
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Let us say that is what he is saying and not your opinion of it.

This private business owner is saying that praying makes you special and will give you a special discount. I have no problem with that.
 
DutchJazzer said:
ooh,
blacks can be proud.
gays can be proud.
atheist can be proud.

but whites can't be proud.
heterosexuals can't be proud.
religious people can't be proud.

one offends, the other is acceptable? equal rights.
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Why do white people need to proclaim they need to be treated equally to white people? Why do heterosexuals need to proclaim they need to be treated equally to heterosexuals? Why do religious people need to proclaim they need to be treated equally to religious people?
 
RobDMB said:
If people in the community were worried about it, then let's address it. If the community doesn't care, then why should some outside group have any say? How about the FFRF worry about it's own community (Wisconsin)?
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The FFRF has members all over the country.
 
Stoked said:
Would you be for it if they said a "Meditation discount"? yes or no.
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I would be opposed (why should people who meditate over food be considered laudable?), but that would probably not be considered discriminatory.
 
One Brow said:
I would be opposed (why should people who meditate over food be considered laudable?), but that would probably not be considered discriminatory.
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Why shouldn't they be?

One Brow said:
Do you have a different reason for why the owner would offer such a discount?
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Maybe he just likes it. It does not have to go to the level of they are special and others are not. But even if you are right and he does think of it on that level, SO WHAT!? He is a private business owner and, imo, has every right to act accordingly.

I'm so sick of this notion that we must dictate what a person must do, and how they must act, with their own property.
 
JAZZGASM said:
Any discount that is not based on a protected class (religion, race, nationality, sexual orientation, etc.) such as a employee discount is fine. It does dicriminate against non employees, but they are not a protected class. So it will pass constitutional muster....this is a 30,000' answer.

Yale offers a free class on Constitutional Law. I highly recommend anyone take it that does not understand what is protected and what is not.
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Technically sexual orientation is not a protected class.
 
One Brow said:
Yes, for pretty much every case Core4 listed.



The issue is that the restaurant is proclaiming, as part of a service available to the public, that members of the public who perform "x" are superior to members of the public who do not perform "x".
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Are you also against discounts for the elderly? Why or why not?
 
One Brow said:
So, it's really hard to understand why non-religious people would be upset over being charged higher prices (or, does anyone really claim that getting a discount doesn't mean the price is lower)?
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I don't feel like sifting through eight pages of Jazzfanz on this topic so I'll just reply to the first one I feel is worthy.

I was never baptized. I'm not sure if I believe in God. I go back and forth so I know by definition, I'm not an atheist, but boy oh boy, are atheists now going to sit up on their perch too and preach all high and mighty-like, about the "mythology" of God, as one person called it? For people who don't believe in God, they sure do like to talk a lot about Him.

As I see it, it's a private business. If you don't want to eat there, atheists, don't eat there. And if you do, then fake a prayer. I haven't even seen the prayer ticket. Does it even say you have to pray to God? Not Allah or some other God? Could you silently just hold your hands together and fake it? And on the way out, tell them you had your fingers crossed and are an atheist? Seriously, this seems so hokey to begin with that I laughed when I read it because it's a microcosm of the South. That's harsh I know but you get the point.

I guess I just don't see how we need to find room to care about this right now. With Palestine/Israel, Isis, and everything else going on right now that actually matters, is this the type of nonsense this country needs to worry about? Is it discrimination? I don't know, maybe. But what's next? Little Sally Smith will be sued for discrimination because she chose not to serve her estranged friend of six hours, Andrea Rogers, lemonade from her lemonade stand?

Let's deal with the important stuff right now and figure out if atheists can eat at HomeStyle Buffet when there's some time.
 
Stoked said:
Maybe he just likes it. It does not have to go to the level of they are special and others are not. But even if you are right and he does think of it on that level, SO WHAT!? He is a private business owner and, imo, has every right to act accordingly.

I'm so sick of this notion that we must dictate what a person must do, and how they must act, with their own property.
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I appreciate you are opposed on general principles, and would support any sort of discrimination by any business.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Are you also against discounts for the elderly? Why or why not?
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I have no problem with honoring people for the contributions they have made to society over the years (nor with the assumption that an given elderly person is in this group).
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
As I see it, it's a private business.
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Actually, it's a public business that is privately owned.

QuinSnydersHair said:
If you don't want to eat there, atheists, don't eat there. And if you do, then fake a prayer.
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So, I don't have to believe religious people behave better than I do, I just have to pretend I believe it?

QuinSnydersHair said:
I guess I just don't see how we need to find room to care about this right now.
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No one is asking you to care.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Flip this around. Let's say there's a restaurant that charges Christians more $$ for the same food dish than atheists. (And I agree with the argument that offering one group of people a discount and another group not is essentially the same thing as charing more for the same service to the latter group.) Anyone here want to guess how Christians would (as a whole) respond to this?

Here's betting that they'd react very similarly to how the atheists have acted here.

Yes, restaurants, stores, service providers offer senior citizen discounts, charge less for veterans or members of the military, etc., but not all group distinctions are equal. For better or worse, this country, and its legal system and traditions, treat religious discrimination differently than they treat these other forms of discrimination. Frankly, continuing to argue that these are all equivalent forms of discrimination really misses the mark--by a wide amount.
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huh huh huh huh he said as a hole huh huh huh huh
 
One Brow said:
I appreciate you are opposed on general principles, and would support any sort of discrimination by any business.
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I appreciate that you feel it is your sworn duty to tell private individuals what to do with their private property, which includes private businesses, and how they should behave.

I italicized private since you left that yout intentionally.
 
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