lol restaurant threathened to be sued by atheist.

[JAZZGASM]

So by that measure I could ban all people with blue eyes? Blue eyes are not a protected class.

Yep, but that would be weird. Blue eyes are awesome...

Now if a restaurant banned gingers...now that is something I could get behind. Soulless freaks.

 

[Stoked]

Yep, but that would be weird. Blue eyes are awesome...

Now if a restaurant banned gingers...now that is something I could get behind. Soulless freaks.

So you are ok with the outright banning of people but not providing x for y?

Interesting.

 

[JAZZGASM]

So you are ok with the outright banning of people but not providing x for y?

Interesting.

First off, I was being sarcastic about blue eyes (obviously brown eyes are better). And yes, since gingers do not have souls, you can discriminate against them (this is probably sarcasm too). But technically, yes, you can discriminate against a non-protected class. So you can keep kids out, have a no college student rule, a no felon rule, etc.

I'm surprised no one said anything about the article I posted above. A diner took care of some public flower beds, and in exchange the city let them hang an ad on a public light pole (a service the city offered to many of the businesses in town). The ad said Yield for Bacon at Sneakers (Sneakers is the restaurant name). A Muslim women complained that she found the sign on public property to be offensive, as Muslims cannot eat pork. So the restaurant had it taken down.

It was smart of the restaurant, they are going to get a TON of publicity from this, and good will from the community. But they could have kept it up if they wanted to.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Actually, it's a public business that is privately owned.

Semantics. I think everyone knew what I meant.

, I don't have to believe religious people behave better than I do, I just have to pretend I believe it?

Yep, that's what I said.

No one is asking you to care.

Hence why I said we.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Well, so much for my attempt to agree to disagree.

I am completely in favor of private individuals what to do with their private property, which includes private businesses. However, this restaurant was a public business, serving the general public under a public license, and so should treat the entire public equitably.

If you use the word public a lot, it makes his point that much more valid.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Other discrimination practices.

Cheaper everything for the elderly. They contribute nothing to society any longer and are gonna get cheaper movie tickets?

The young. Children under certain ages are gonna get cheaper airfare? Hogwash!

Students pay less for tickets to my Rutgers football games??? I won't have it!!!

Minorities and the financially disadvantaged have easier entrance standards into colleges and universities because they're minorities and poor????? Oh wait, that's okay. They're minorities and poor and need to level the playing field.

 

[JAZZGASM]

There was at no point a list of people that could not qaulify. So no they were not excluded by the business.

AS for your "no gays" that is not what is happening here. This restaurant did not say "No non-prayers allowed"

Also I'd refer you to an exact example I used of this of our PMs and my personal stance on it.

I know your personal stance, and I am responding generally. I understand that no one was excluded, but discrimination involving a protected class is illegal discrimination, no matter how benign anyone things it is. You know my reviews on religion, and this personally isn't a big deal to me, but I have respect for our laws and the privileges they provide. It is good to question or laws, and try to make things better, but it this case, I agree with the laws we have.

 

[Stoked]

Other discrimination practices.

Cheaper everything for the elderly. They contribute nothing to society any longer and are gonna get cheaper movie tickets?

The young. Children under certain ages are gonna get cheaper airfare? Hogwash!

Students pay less for tickets to my Rutgers football games??? I won't have it!!!

Minorities and the financially disadvantaged have easier entrance standards into colleges and universities because they're minorities and poor????? Oh wait, that's okay. They're minorities and poor and need to level the playing field.

It does need to be leveled but AA does not do this. All AA does is pick a couple lucky winners. To bad so sad for the unlucky ones.

 

[fishonjazz]

It does not discriminate against a protected class.

Couldn't nudist culture be considered a religion?
No shirt no shoes no service seems discriminatory against that whole group of people

 

[JAZZGASM]

Couldn't nudist culture be considered a religion?
No shirt no shoes no service seems discriminatory against that whole group of people

It could. But laws of general applicability are not discriminatory. So a law that no one can be naked in public is OK. Or a law that no one can smoke peyote is OK, because it is a law of generally applicability and is not targeted against a religion.

 

[Stoked]

I know your personal stance, and I am responding generally. I understand that no one was excluded, but discrimination involving a protected class is illegal discrimination, no matter how benign anyone things it is. You know my reviews on religion, and this personally isn't a big deal to me, but I have respect for our laws and the privileges they provide. It is good to question or laws, and try to make things better, but it this case, I agree with the laws we have.

That's where we differ. I do not see it as discrimination, for a couple reasons that have already been covered. I get that it is a protected class but this isn't discriminating against them imo.

 

[fishonjazz]

To me this whole issue it's more similar to a business owner giving occasional discounts to customers who stand on one foot for a second when they enter.
Our customers who give a high five to the waiter/waitress.

These comparisons of race or eye color are way off imo.

Sometime on thanksgiving after eating turkey I fall asleep in my chair while watching football with my hands in my lap.

Eyes closed, hand in lap, while seated.....I would be eligible for this discount, yet nothing religious about it.

 

[JAZZGASM]

That's where we differ. I do not see it as discrimination, for a couple reasons that have already been covered. I get that it is a protected class but this isn't discriminating against them imo.

And I understand your view.

To me, I don't see a difference between offering a prayer discount or offering a gay discount. They both discriminate against a protected class. We can continue to respectfully disagree.

 

[Stoked]

To me this whole issue it's more similar to a business owner giving occasional discounts to customers who stand on one foot for a second when they enter.
Our customers who give a high five to the waiter/waitress.

These comparisons of race or eye color are way off imo.

Sometime on thanksgiving after eating turkey I fall asleep in my chair while watching football with my hands in my lap.

Eyes closed, hand in lap, while seated.....I would be eligible for this discount, yet nothing religious about it.

That's my point when I used tose comparisons.

 

[JAZZGASM]

To me this whole issue it's more similar to a business owner giving occasional discounts to customers who stand on one foot for a second when they enter.
Our customers who give a high five to the waiter/waitress.

These comparisons of race or eye color are way off imo.

Sometime on thanksgiving after eating turkey I fall asleep in my chair while watching football with my hands in my lap.

Eyes closed, hand in lap, while seated.....I would be eligible for this discount, yet nothing religious about it.

That would be true, but the receipt said "Prayer Discount". If they never said that, you would be on the right track. They explicitly brought prayer into the equation on the receipt and in the article.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

It does need to be leveled but AA does not do this. All AA does is pick a couple lucky winners. To bad so sad for the unlucky ones.

Why does it need to be leveled?

 

[Stoked]

And I understand your view.

To me, I don't see a difference between offering a prayer discount or offering a gay discount. They both discriminate against a protected class. We can continue to respectfully disagree.

SMH.

Horrible comparison as they are not sayign the same thing IMO. Good stuff and you're wrong lol.

 

[Stoked]

Why does it need to be leveled?

I am talking about giving disadvantaged kids the same tools for success that others have. What they do with it is up to them.

Education (many things play into this) specifically.

AA does nothing to address the cause of the problem, nothing.

 

[JAZZGASM]

SMH.

Horrible comparison as they are not sayign the same thing IMO. Good stuff and you're wrong lol.

They are both discounts offered to a protected class. We can continue to talk in circles, but the AVIS case is so similar, how can you ignore it?

Discount to prayers/Discount to those who say they are openly gay and use the gay discount code. Anyone can take advantage of the discounts if they are aware of it. Whether they are religious/gay or not.

The Court ruled it was discrimination against a protected class. Religion (which includes Atheism) is also a protected class. So how is the restaurant discount any different? If it was purely a meditation discount, then then it would be different. But it was a "prayer discount" and the owners said they give discounts to those who pray. Avis gave a discount to those who said they were gay.

So please, explain how they are different, other than one being potentially more acceptable to you.

 

[Stoked]

They are both discounts offered to a protected class. We can continue to talk in circles, but the AVIS case is so similar, how can you ignore it?

Discount to prayers/Discount to those who say they are openly gay and use the gay discount code. Anyone can take advantage of the discounts if they are aware of it. Whether they are religious/gay or not.

The Court ruled it was discrimination against a protected class. Religion (which includes Atheism) is also a protected class. So how is the restaurant discount any different? If it was purely a meditation discount, then then it would be different. But it was a "prayer discount" and the owners said they give discounts to those who pray. Avis gave a discount to those who said they were gay.

So please, explain how they are different, other than one being potentially more acceptable to you.

They are different as one specifically excludes people and the other does not. This is an x for y case. Not a you 50 people can be eligible but you 50 can't case.

It is different on the base details of the case. (using the gays can get a discount example)

The example that Siro used of a paryer rug facing east is a better example.