The climate political correctness creates........
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This. I have to take all of that kind of stuff into consideration as a manager, but in the end making no decisions is the same as making a decision to ignore it. I wouldn't get much done if I waffled like that despite the fact that I have to make decisions that affect people of diverse backgrounds. It is a cop out.
jimmy eat jazz
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And yet how many people have been victims of slurs, hate crimes, discrimination, social exclusion, etc. because of their race, ethnicity, religion, sex, or sexual orientation? So you'd prefer the pendulum to swing back more this direction? It can be a fine line at times between appropriate heightened social attention to such issues and politically correct excesses. Do you feel comfortable stating clearly where that line is to be drawn in a practical, objective way?
What's lovely is when members of social groups that enjoy every benefit that exists to members of society demean efforts to make society more inclusive and equitable, which implies in turn yet further entrenchment of their social privilege relative to other groups.
Yes, there are politically correct excesses, and many of them are downright silly, but please at least acknowledge the many, many many more excesses that exist is the other direction before you decide to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Duck Rodgers
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No, it's actually very productive to point out one of the great ills of modern British society, because we are headed down that route fast ourselves. We are the great copycats of European authoritarianism. But we always have the ability to rethink how foolish we are being. Their decision did not lie solely at the feet of what others think, it's that they would be canned, their careers over, if their coming forward would have been interpreted as being racist. That's what these people were dealing with, though cowards they certainly may be. There is nothing nebulous about the climate of political correctness in Britain. It's palpable. You get in trouble for very little over there.Your scenario is a secondary consideration. If they have nothing to fear job wise, they likely pipe up and make a bigger deal out of it elsewhere if the government would've kept ignoring it. It's as simple as that. Expecting humans to make clear headed decisions under oppressive circumstances is a losing bet. Selflessness is an outlier trait, but it's easier to see surface when they don't have to think about all the schooling they went through....all the all the *** kissing went through....all the crap they put with to procure their jobs. Modern society says that your job/career is your life. So the decision was their "life" vs. speaking up for these abused children(if some government kook would have deemed it racist). Speech does not need to have these life changing consequences attached to it.
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jimmy eat jazz
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I'm sorry, but this post strikes me as hysterical fear mongering. Yes, there undoubtedly cases, and perhaps many of them, where PC runs amok, but this is just over the top hyperbole and BS.
Duck Rodgers
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I'm sorry you're so comfortable with authoritarianism. You'll learn the hard way. It will be good for you. Stay strong. Clinton '16.
Please give me a full definition of political correctness. I've asked before and never gotten one. It seems like a very vague concept to me.
AtheistPreacher
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Not quite the same thing, but I was reminded of this. Call a spade a spade.
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There’s a condition in combat -- most people know about it -- it's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to its absolute peak and maximum -- can't take any more input. The nervous system has either snapped, or is about to snap. In the first world war, that condition was called 'shell shock.' Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables. Shell shock -- almost sounds like the guns themselves. That was seventy years ago.
Then a whole generation went by, and the second world war came along, and the very same combat condition was called 'battle fatigue.' Four syllables now, takes a little longer to say, doesn’t seem to hurt as much. 'Fatigue' is a nicer word than 'shock.' Shell shock! Battle fatigue.
Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called 'operational exhaustion.' Hey, we're up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been completely squeezed out of the phrase, it's totally sterile now: operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car!
Then of course came the war in Vietnam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it’s no surprise that the very same condition was called 'post-traumatic stress disorder.' Still eight syllables, but we’ve added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon: post-traumatic stress disorder. I’ll bet you that if we'd still been calling it 'shell shock,' some of those Vietnam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll bet you that.
And it keeps getting worse with time. When I was a little kid, if I got sick they wanted me to go to the hospital and see a doctor. Now they want me to go to a health maintenance organization, or a wellness center, to consult a healthcare delivery professional. Poor people used to live in slums. Now the economically disadvantaged occupy substandard housing in the inner-cities. And a lot of them are broke. They're broke! They don’t have a negative cash-flow position, they’re broke! Because many of them were fired. You know, fired -- management wanted to curtail redundancies in the human resources area, and so many workers were no longer viable members of the workforce?
-George Carlin
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There’s a condition in combat -- most people know about it -- it's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to its absolute peak and maximum -- can't take any more input. The nervous system has either snapped, or is about to snap. In the first world war, that condition was called 'shell shock.' Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables. Shell shock -- almost sounds like the guns themselves. That was seventy years ago.
Then a whole generation went by, and the second world war came along, and the very same combat condition was called 'battle fatigue.' Four syllables now, takes a little longer to say, doesn’t seem to hurt as much. 'Fatigue' is a nicer word than 'shock.' Shell shock! Battle fatigue.
Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called 'operational exhaustion.' Hey, we're up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been completely squeezed out of the phrase, it's totally sterile now: operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car!
Then of course came the war in Vietnam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it’s no surprise that the very same condition was called 'post-traumatic stress disorder.' Still eight syllables, but we’ve added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon: post-traumatic stress disorder. I’ll bet you that if we'd still been calling it 'shell shock,' some of those Vietnam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll bet you that.
And it keeps getting worse with time. When I was a little kid, if I got sick they wanted me to go to the hospital and see a doctor. Now they want me to go to a health maintenance organization, or a wellness center, to consult a healthcare delivery professional. Poor people used to live in slums. Now the economically disadvantaged occupy substandard housing in the inner-cities. And a lot of them are broke. They're broke! They don’t have a negative cash-flow position, they’re broke! Because many of them were fired. You know, fired -- management wanted to curtail redundancies in the human resources area, and so many workers were no longer viable members of the workforce?
-George Carlin
jimmy eat jazz
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I'm not comfortable with authoritarianism. I am fed up with right wing fear-mongering hyperbole about political correctness as a backhanded way to oppose progressive reforms that serve to diminish white privilege and make social/economic discourse and outcomes more equitable.
So you're implying that Clinton is an authoritarian? Take the tin foil off your head and relax.
To me, political correctness could be calling this singer beautiful or something like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToqNa0rqUtY
Not reporting child abuse however is sheer idiocy, immorality, depravity, corruption, viciousness, a definite fault and a ****ing crime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToqNa0rqUtY
Not reporting child abuse however is sheer idiocy, immorality, depravity, corruption, viciousness, a definite fault and a ****ing crime.
QuinSnydersHair
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Wow. You lack imagination. This is faaaaaaaaaaaar from rock bottom. Sadly. And we're headed there. It's now inevitable as we've passed the point of no return imo.
DutchJazzer
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I blame you on Obama.
How about as a group we define it here for the first time in the history of forever. I'll go first:
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