Everyone will have an informed chance to accept or deny God.
Still don't believe in evolution? Try this!
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Everyone will have an informed chance to accept or deny God.
So then what is the incentive to believe in Him now? Honest question.
Nothing that can be proven. But to me that's the point. Now that we are here and our memories of Him are gone and its unprovable what will we do?
It's all a tests. Those that didn't get the chance to embrace him here will get their chance on the other side.
So once I die I will be given the opportunity to convert and enjoy full privileges?
Seriously, I'm not getting it.
Besides that, once I die I will be faced with a dilemma similar to that facing non-Muslims in ISIS controlled territory. Embrace faith or suffer an unspeakable pain.
God is not gaining any credibility with me here.
Jaymz
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I don't know how old you are but that sounds exactly like myself after 22 years of brainwashing. If you grow up being told one thing, how are you supposed to know anything else?
Everyone does a soul search to find soemthing to believe in at some point, I've just come to my own truth and logical conclusion. Especially with the world wide spread of information over the internet(Obviously discerne the facts from fiction yourself) there is a lot in common with all religions. Christ wasn't a christian, Buddah wasn't a Buddist, all of these profits tought mostely one thing. Love. So, love became my religion. The closest thing I can "whitness" and "testify" to, and is also recently being proven true by science is meditation. You can hardwire your brain to be positive, loving and compassionate. Meditation has been involved and will help with any religious beliefs. It has many benifits, both spiritually and physically.
As you suggest for yours, try it. I tried the Christian thing for 22 years and still felt lost.
MVP
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was forced to pray and do all other silly catholic things when was a kid.... felt like an idiot. No God was ever talking back to me
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This isn't English 1020!!
Kind of reminds me of this lovely bit from Robert Ingersoll:
Justice is the only worship.
Love is the only priest.
Ignorance is the only slavery.
Happiness is the only good.
The time to be happy is now,
The place to be happy is here,
The way to be happy is to make others so.
was forced to pray and do all other silly catholic things when was a kid.... felt like an idiot. No God was ever talking back to me
Honest question. What did you expect? To hear a voice? An overwhelming feeling.
@ Jaymz. I am mid 30s and I have not been active in any religion for 10+ years.
I have answers to all this but my balls hurt and I'm on meds that make me not give a ****
So don't believe. **** it. I don't care.
MVP
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LOL he did not admit to anything, just accepted that there is a possibility that higher intelligence contributed to origins of life on Earth. Just another theory which can't be dismissed or proven so far.
I love when religious people make an appeal to authority. "Darwin denied his theory on his death bed." "Einstein believed in God." And so forth.
That may be how YOU think, but it doesn't apply to us. You might care to hear what a prophet or theologian thinks about science or what have you. But to us, Darwin and others are just people. Their theories are accepted not because we believe they have some sort of hotline to the divine. So even if Dawkins called a conference call and admitted to having been hired by evil Satanists trying to undermine the Christian faith in order to bring about the apocalypse, it would still mean nothing to us. We think evolution is true because 150 years of science produced millions of pieces of evidence to support the hypothesis, and anyone can go ahead and evaluate that evidence for themselves.
That may be how YOU think, but it doesn't apply to us. You might care to hear what a prophet or theologian thinks about science or what have you. But to us, Darwin and others are just people. Their theories are accepted not because we believe they have some sort of hotline to the divine. So even if Dawkins called a conference call and admitted to having been hired by evil Satanists trying to undermine the Christian faith in order to bring about the apocalypse, it would still mean nothing to us. We think evolution is true because 150 years of science produced millions of pieces of evidence to support the hypothesis, and anyone can go ahead and evaluate that evidence for themselves.
carolinajazz
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....those who don't believe in "creation" won't be persuaded by evidence. If mountains of evidence fails to impress them.....then another unique creature from the animal kingdom.....certainly won't!
There are many varieties of fish all with different and unique functions! Some 500 varieties of electric fish have batteries. Many fish have lights: flashlight fish, anglerfish, lantern fish, viperfish and constellation fish.....and humans inventors are constantly attempting to copy the complex abilities of living creatures! Does it seem reasonable to believe that they happened by chance alone? Are these not the kind of intricate designs that experience teaches can only be the product of a brilliant designer? Do you really think that chance alone could create what it later took gifted men to copy?
All this copying from animals by humans is reminiscent of what the Bible suggests: “Ask the very beasts, and they will teach you; ask the wild birds—they will tell you; crawling creatures will instruct you, fish in the sea will inform you.”—Job 12:7, 8, Moffatt.
Not chance
I hope you realize that evolution is the opposite of chance. It is natural selection. Which means that the fittest within a population survives, because it fundamentally has an advantage to survive. There is no roulette wheel spinning in the savannah saying "you, elephant with the smaller ears, your number is up, now die!"
I hope you realize that evolution is the opposite of chance. It is natural selection. Which means that the fittest within a population survives, because it fundamentally has an advantage to survive. There is no roulette wheel spinning in the savannah saying "you, elephant with the smaller ears, your number is up, now die!"
carolinajazz
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Negative! The only thing 150 years of science has proven is that.....the idea that man is the product of "evolution" is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated by the human mind! And by the way, there are millions of creatures who's unique abilities and unique features.......which have been evaluated by thousands of biologist and scientists.....scream special design by a marvelous designer!
I find a God who spends his time creating 500 species of electric fish quite intriguing. Multiply this by all the different species that he has created, and all the variety within these species, it makes God one busy dude. What would God's hypothetical purpose be for creating trillions of unique creatures? I guess my idea of God is more spiritual versus busy micromanaging nature.
Or does he just create the genetic code that leads to new species, but does not tinker with other variations in genetic code? Do creationists allow for an understanding of mutation as long as it does not lead to a new species? Or does God create each mutation?
Then isn't it strange that all of those biologists and scientists accept evolution as fact? Or are they all in on that hoax you mentioned earlier?
carolinajazz
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....all good questions and the Bible account in Genesis answers them! By the way, if you go further in the General Discussion threads you will find we discussed thoroughly for many months the subject of evolution vs. creation and all of it's aspects. Myth 1. Mutations provide the raw materials needed to create new species. The teaching of macroevolution is built on the claim that mutations—random changes in the genetic code of plants and animals—can produce not only new species but also entirely new families of plants and animals.
The facts. Many characteristics of a plant or an animal are determined by the instructions contained in its genetic code, the blueprints that are wrapped up in the nucleus of each cell. Researchers have discovered that mutations can produce alterations in the descendants of plants and animals. But do mutations really produce entirely new species? What has a century of study in the field of genetic research revealed?
In the late 1930’s, scientists enthusiastically embraced a new idea. They already thought that natural selection—the process in which the organism best suited to its environment is most likely to survive and breed—could produce new species of plants from random mutations. Therefore, they now assumed that artificial, or human-guided, selection of mutations should be able to do the same thing but more efficiently. “Euphoria spread among biologists in general and geneticists and breeders in particular,” said Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, a scientist from the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research in Germany. Why the euphoria? Lönnig, who has spent some 30 years studying mutation genetics in plants, said: “These researchers thought that the time had come to revolutionize the traditional method of breeding plants and animals. They thought that by inducing and selecting favorable mutations, they could produce new and better plants and animals.
Scientists in the United States, Asia, and Europe launched well-funded research programs using methods that promised to speed up evolution. After more than 40 years of intensive research, what were the results? “In spite of an enormous financial expenditure,” says researcher Peter von Sengbusch, “the attempt to cultivate increasingly productive varieties by irradiation [to cause mutations], widely proved to be a failure.” And Lönnig said: “By the 1980’s, the hopes and euphoria among scientists had ended in worldwide failure. Mutation breeding as a separate branch of research was abandoned in Western countries. Almost all the mutants .*.*. died or were weaker than wild varieties.” So, can mutations cause one species to evolve into a completely new kind of creature? The evidence answers no! Lönnig’s research has led him to the conclusion that “properly defined species have real boundaries that cannot be abolished or transgressed by accidental mutations.
.....which brings us to your first question: are there "genetic codes" in the animal kingdom that prevent the change from one specie to another specie or one "kind" to another "kind?" Genesis chapter*1: Living things reproduce only “according to their kinds.” The reason is that the genetic code stops a plant or an animal from moving too far from the average. There can be great variety (as can be seen, for example, among humans, cats or dogs) but not so much that one living thing could change into another. Every experiment ever conducted with mutations proves this. Also proved is the law of biogenesis, that life comes only from preexisting life, and that the parent organism and its offspring are of the same “kind.”
Breeding experiments also confirm this. Scientists have tried to keep changing various animals and plants indefinitely by crossbreeding. They wanted to see if, in time, they could develop new forms of life. With what result? On Call reports: “Breeders usually find that after a few generations, an optimum is reached beyond which further improvement is impossible, and there has been no new species formed .*.*. Breeding procedures, therefore, would seem to refute, rather than support evolution.”
Much the same observation is made in Science magazine: “Species do indeed have a capacity to undergo minor modifications in their physical and other characteristics, but this is limited and with a longer perspective it is reflected in an oscillation about a mean [average].” So, then, what is inherited by living things is not the possibility of continued change but instead (1)*stability and (2)*limited ranges of variation.
The conclusion is clear. No amount of accidental genetic change can cause one kind of life to turn into another kind!
The truth is upon rigorous examination and analysis, any dogmatic assertion that gene mutations are the raw material for any evolutionary process involving natural selection is an utterance of a myth.
carolinajazz
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Negative! "All" biologists and scientists DO NOT accept evolution as fact! Many, numbering in the thousands, consider it a hoax!