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jazzman12 said:
Thanks to Cyronne, I now hate Missippi State more than I do BYU. Seriously dude, nobody cares about your bulldogs.
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Don't make me like you, it's making me twitch.



^^that's a joke up thar, sortof. I for sure don't hate you, but liking you may be a sliver strong.

I respect you Stanley Yelnats III
 
LazyD said:
Well, they're in the ACC, so I'd imagine it's not all that tough.
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Basically any team not in the sec or pac 12 has a schedule that kinds sucks.

Acc sucks
Big ten is putrid
Big 12 sucks
 
fishonjazz said:
Basically any team not in the sec or pac 12 has a schedule that kinds sucks.

Acc sucks
Big ten is putrid
Big 12 sucks
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Eh, the ACC is a significant step down from all the other power conferences imo. The SEC is the strongest and I think the other three are normally about the same. This year it looks like the big ten may be a little below the PAC and Big 12
 
LazyD said:
Eh, the ACC is a significant step down from all the other power conferences imo. The SEC is the strongest and I think the other three are normally about the same. This year it looks like the big ten may be a little below the PAC and Big 12
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Big ten is the lowest of the power conferences imo.

Michigan state is the only team that looks to be any good and they got beat by like 20 points on Saturday
 
Big 12 has baylor and oklahoma at least... but that's about it
 
fishonjazz said:
Big ten is the lowest of the power conferences imo.

Michigan state is the only team that looks to be any good and they got beat by like 20 points on Saturday
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Yeah, the BIG looks like it could be pretty down this year.

Pac 12 looks good, and the Big 12 def does not suck. I guess destroying Texas could give BYU fans that impression, but it shouldn't.
 
I'm curious as to how the whole system works this fall. Let's say BYU goes undefeated. Where would they end up? We know that there is 0% chance they end up in the playoff. I don't care if everyone else has two losses. This whole system was set up to keep BYU/Boise St/other non P5 teams out. They won't let one in the first year. The fact that BYU has a weak SOS and no conference championship will keep them out. So, if BYU does go undefeated, where do they end up?

In 2004, Utah was #6. Boise St was #9.
In 2006, Boise was #8.
In 2008, Utah was #6.
In 2009, TCU was #4. Boise St was #6.
In 2010, TCU was #3. Boise St was #10.
In 2011, Boise St was #11.

What that means is that unless BYU is as highly regarded as TCU was in 2009 and 2010, they won't be in the playoff, even if undefeated. And I highly doubt BYU has the cache that TCU had those years. So, no playoff for undefeated BYU. The average ranking for an undefeated G5 team was #6. So, BYU ends the year ranked #6. Let's pretend best case scenario happens for BYU, and a repeat of 2007 happens and the top 10 look like this (except we will put BYU in at #6 instead of #12 where Hawaii was):

1 - Ohio State 11-1
2 - LSU 11-2
3 - Virginia Tech 11-2
4 - Oklahoma 11-2
5 - Georgia 10-2
6 - BYU 12-0
7 - Missouri 11-2
8 - USC 10-2
9 - West Virginia 10-2
10 - Hawaii 12-0
11 - ASU 10-2
12 - Florida 9-3
13 - Illinois 9-3
14 - Boston College 10-3
15 - Clemson 9-3


The top four play in the Rose Bowl and and Sugar Bowl.

Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs Virginia Tech
Sugar Bowl: LSU vs Oklahoma

Here are the remaining rules that have to be satisfied:

1 - The highest ranked G5 team is in. This would be Hawaii.
2 - The P5 champions will get bowl births unless they are in the playoff. This means USC is guaranteed a spot.
3 - The Orange Bowl is ACC #1 vs SEC #2, Big 10 #2, or Notre Dame. This means that Georgia is in. One at large berth.
4 - The committee will try to create "the most compelling match ups possible" for the remaining spots.

So, here are the Bowl games and the auto bid teams:

Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs Virginia Tech
Sugar Bowl: LSU vs Oklahoma
Orange Bowl: At Large vs Georgia
Cotton Bowl: At Large vs At Large
Fiesta Bowl: USC vs Hawaii.
Peach Bowl: At Large vs At Large

Teams Guaranteed in: Hawaii, USC. Considering the "most compelling match ups possible" clause, USC and Hawaii probably both play in the Fiesta Bowl.

This leaves six spots open for these teams:

6 - BYU 12-0
7 - Missouri 11-2
9 - West Virginia 10-2
11 - ASU 10-2
12 - Florida 9-3
13 - Illinois 9-3
14 - Boston College 10-3
15 - Clemson 9-3

The Orange Bowl is locked into Georgia. They probably take West Virginia.
The Cotton Bowl is all Jerry, which means all south. Missouri vs Florida.
If you believe Colin Cowherd, the Fiesta is out for BYU. They take USC and Hawaii.
That leaves the Peach Bowl. They can take:

6 - BYU 12-0
11 - ASU
13 - Illinois
14 - Boston College
15 - Clemson

The Peach Bowl is in the South, so I'd bet Clemson gets in. Nationally, what is a more intriguing matchup? BYU vs Clemson or ASU vs Clemson? That is tough. It probably depends on who has the bigger "name". Whether or not Hill has an Heisman year or if he reverts back to last year.

So, BYU might be in if 2007 happens. Let's look at last year:

1 - FSU 13-0
2 - Auburn 12-1
3 - Alabama 11-1
4 - Michigan St 12-1
5 - Stanford 11-2
6 - BYU 12-0
7 - Baylor 11-1
8 - Ohio State 12-1
9 - Missouri 11-2
10 - South Carolina 10-2
11 - Oregon 10-2
12 - Oklahoma 10-2
13 - Clemson 10-2
14 - Oklahoma St 10-2
15 - UCF 11-1

So, we get this:

Rose Bowl: Michigan St vs Auburn
Sugar Bowl: Florida State vs Alabama
Fiesta Bowl: Oregon vs Oklahoma
Orange Bowl: Ohio State vs Stanford
Cotton Bowl: Baylor vs Missouri/South Carolina
Peach Bowl:UCF vs

UCF is guaranteed a bowl birth. As is Stanford and Baylor. As is the #2 Big 10 team (Ohio State). That leaves these teams available for the four at large spots:

5 - Stanford 11-2
6 - BYU 12-0
9 - Missouri 11-2
10 - South Carolina 10-2
11 - Oregon 10-2
12 - Oklahoma 10-2
13 - Clemson 10-2
14 - Oklahoma St 10-2

Now, you know the Cotton Bowl is going to take an SEC team, because Jerry Jones is all about money. So, there goes Missouri or South Carolina. This leaves:

5 - Stanford 11-2
6 - BYU 12-0
11 - Oregon 10-2
12 - Oklahoma 10-2
13 - Clemson 10-2
14 - Oklahoma St 10-2
15 - UCF 11-1

We know Ohio State is guaranteed a spot in the Orange Bowl. The "most compelling matchup" for Ohio State is either Stanford or Oregon. I say Stanford goes here, because the Fiesta probably fights hard for Oregon. The Cotton Bowl takes Baylor and an SEC team (Missouri/South Carolina).

Next is the Fiesta Bowl. If you believe Colin Cowherd, BYU is automatically out here. They probably take Oregon and Oklahoma.

We are now left with these teams for the Peach Bowl:

6 - BYU 12-0
13 - Clemson 10-2
14 - Oklahoma St 10-2
15 - UCF 11-1

We know that UCF is guaranteed a spot in the bowl. Here is where BYU probably gets screwed. If you are the Peach Bowl, do you want two mid-majors? Do you want a mid-major that is from the West, that doesn't spend money? If you were the Peach Bowl, would you want BYU or would you want Clemson or Oklahoma State?

You probably take Clemson or Oklahoma State.

What's the point in all of this? Even if they go undefeated, it will be really, really, really hard to BYU to make the New Year's Bowls and not end up in Miami.
 
tl/dr version:

If the Fiesta Bowl has really decided to not invite BYU due to poor money spending from BYU fans as Colin Cowherd has alleged, they will have a really, really tough time ever getting in a New Year's Bowl, because all the other bowls are in the south and would rather have teams closer to their region than a higher ranked BYU.

BYU really needs to be in a P5 conference. BUT, as Utah and TCU have shown, if BYU is in a P5 conference, they aren't even in the conversation for a playoff/New Year's Bowl.

So, BYU fan, what's more important? Being snubbed but mentioned or not being mentioned at all? Maybe Independence really is the best spot for you.
 
new levels of tl/dnr

tl/did not scroll?
You want a grade on your thesis?
One of the posters on the board and you trying to impress them?

Next time can you put that in a spoiler window?
 
green said:
I'm curious as to how the whole system works this fall. Let's say BYU goes undefeated. Where would they end up? We know that there is 0% chance they end up in the playoff. I don't care if everyone else has two losses. This whole system was set up to keep BYU/Boise St/other non P5 teams out. They won't let one in the first year. The fact that BYU has a weak SOS and no conference championship will keep them out. So, if BYU does go undefeated, where do they end up?

In 2004, Utah was #6. Boise St was #9.
In 2006, Boise was #8.
In 2008, Utah was #6.
In 2009, TCU was #4. Boise St was #6.
In 2010, TCU was #3. Boise St was #10.
In 2011, Boise St was #11.

What that means is that unless BYU is as highly regarded as TCU was in 2009 and 2010, they won't be in the playoff, even if undefeated. And I highly doubt BYU has the cache that TCU had those years. So, no playoff for undefeated BYU. The average ranking for an undefeated G5 team was #6. So, BYU ends the year ranked #6. Let's pretend best case scenario happens for BYU, and a repeat of 2007 happens and the top 10 look like this (except we will put BYU in at #6 instead of #12 where Hawaii was):

1 - Ohio State 11-1
2 - LSU 11-2
3 - Virginia Tech 11-2
4 - Oklahoma 11-2
5 - Georgia 10-2
6 - BYU 12-0
7 - Missouri 11-2
8 - USC 10-2
9 - West Virginia 10-2
10 - Hawaii 12-0
11 - ASU 10-2
12 - Florida 9-3
13 - Illinois 9-3
14 - Boston College 10-3
15 - Clemson 9-3


The top four play in the Rose Bowl and and Sugar Bowl.

Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs Virginia Tech
Sugar Bowl: LSU vs Oklahoma

Here are the remaining rules that have to be satisfied:

1 - The highest ranked G5 team is in. This would be Hawaii.
2 - The P5 champions will get bowl births unless they are in the playoff. This means USC is guaranteed a spot.
3 - The Orange Bowl is ACC #1 vs SEC #2, Big 10 #2, or Notre Dame. This means that Georgia is in. One at large berth.
4 - The committee will try to create "the most compelling match ups possible" for the remaining spots.

So, here are the Bowl games and the auto bid teams:

Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs Virginia Tech
Sugar Bowl: LSU vs Oklahoma
Orange Bowl: At Large vs Georgia
Cotton Bowl: At Large vs At Large
Fiesta Bowl: USC vs Hawaii.
Peach Bowl: At Large vs At Large

Teams Guaranteed in: Hawaii, USC. Considering the "most compelling match ups possible" clause, USC and Hawaii probably both play in the Fiesta Bowl.

This leaves six spots open for these teams:

6 - BYU 12-0
7 - Missouri 11-2
9 - West Virginia 10-2
11 - ASU 10-2
12 - Florida 9-3
13 - Illinois 9-3
14 - Boston College 10-3
15 - Clemson 9-3

The Orange Bowl is locked into Georgia. They probably take West Virginia.
The Cotton Bowl is all Jerry, which means all south. Missouri vs Florida.
If you believe Colin Cowherd, the Fiesta is out for BYU. They take USC and Hawaii.
That leaves the Peach Bowl. They can take:

6 - BYU 12-0
11 - ASU
13 - Illinois
14 - Boston College
15 - Clemson

The Peach Bowl is in the South, so I'd bet Clemson gets in. Nationally, what is a more intriguing matchup? BYU vs Clemson or ASU vs Clemson? That is tough. It probably depends on who has the bigger "name". Whether or not Hill has an Heisman year or if he reverts back to last year.

So, BYU might be in if 2007 happens. Let's look at last year:

1 - FSU 13-0
2 - Auburn 12-1
3 - Alabama 11-1
4 - Michigan St 12-1
5 - Stanford 11-2
6 - BYU 12-0
7 - Baylor 11-1
8 - Ohio State 12-1
9 - Missouri 11-2
10 - South Carolina 10-2
11 - Oregon 10-2
12 - Oklahoma 10-2
13 - Clemson 10-2
14 - Oklahoma St 10-2
15 - UCF 11-1

So, we get this:

Rose Bowl: Michigan St vs Auburn
Sugar Bowl: Florida State vs Alabama
Fiesta Bowl: Oregon vs Oklahoma
Orange Bowl: Ohio State vs Stanford
Cotton Bowl: Baylor vs Missouri/South Carolina
Peach Bowl:UCF vs

UCF is guaranteed a bowl birth. As is Stanford and Baylor. As is the #2 Big 10 team (Ohio State). That leaves these teams available for the four at large spots:

5 - Stanford 11-2
6 - BYU 12-0
9 - Missouri 11-2
10 - South Carolina 10-2
11 - Oregon 10-2
12 - Oklahoma 10-2
13 - Clemson 10-2
14 - Oklahoma St 10-2

Now, you know the Cotton Bowl is going to take an SEC team, because Jerry Jones is all about money. So, there goes Missouri or South Carolina. This leaves:

5 - Stanford 11-2
6 - BYU 12-0
11 - Oregon 10-2
12 - Oklahoma 10-2
13 - Clemson 10-2
14 - Oklahoma St 10-2
15 - UCF 11-1

We know Ohio State is guaranteed a spot in the Orange Bowl. The "most compelling matchup" for Ohio State is either Stanford or Oregon. I say Stanford goes here, because the Fiesta probably fights hard for Oregon. The Cotton Bowl takes Baylor and an SEC team (Missouri/South Carolina).

Next is the Fiesta Bowl. If you believe Colin Cowherd, BYU is automatically out here. They probably take Oregon and Oklahoma.

We are now left with these teams for the Peach Bowl:

6 - BYU 12-0
13 - Clemson 10-2
14 - Oklahoma St 10-2
15 - UCF 11-1

We know that UCF is guaranteed a spot in the bowl. Here is where BYU probably gets screwed. If you are the Peach Bowl, do you want two mid-majors? Do you want a mid-major that is from the West, that doesn't spend money? If you were the Peach Bowl, would you want BYU or would you want Clemson or Oklahoma State?

You probably take Clemson or Oklahoma State.

What's the point in all of this? Even if they go undefeated, it will be really, really, really hard to BYU to make the New Year's Bowls and not end up in Miami.
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There looks to be a lot of mediocre in College Football this year. The BIG losing all of these pre conference games is going to lower their overall strength of schedule once they reach conference play. Additionally, BYU is ALREADY ranked which is a lot different that Hawaii and co were in the years you mention. The other pluses are that almost every game BYU plays will be broadcast on ESPN. Also the one thing you have to understand is that all sports are star driven. Taysom is a star. Alex Smith never got that type of billing (until draft day.) Taysom is a slightly lesser version of Jimmer who people WANT to watch because he may do something spectacular at any minute. Couple that with a constant television presence (which the Utes or TCU never got in their heydays) and the drama of possibly busting the playoffs (that is not likely to happen), there is no way BYU gets dropped from a New Years Bowl in favor of a more mediocre, and worse in every measureable way, P5 team. It's just way too easy to include them and bet that they don't go undefeated for another 30 years. As much as people want to disparage BYU's SOS it isn't all that horrible in comparison with the other "BCS Buster" teams of the past, or even with what the ACC or BIG will end up with, so it is silly to presume that 6 is their ceiling. It would especially be humorous if the big 12 was unable to move a once or twice defeated champion ahead of BYU in the rankings because of a lack of a championship game. BYU has to win 10 more games though which isn't easy. . .
 
framer said:
There looks to be a lot of mediocre in College Football this year. The BIG losing all of these pre conference games is going to lower their overall strength of schedule once they reach conference play. Additionally, BYU is ALREADY ranked which is a lot different that Hawaii and co were in the years you mention. The other pluses are that almost every game BYU plays will be broadcast on ESPN. Also the one thing you have to understand is that all sports are star driven. Taysom is a star. Alex Smith never got that type of billing (until draft day.) Taysom is a slightly lesser version of Jimmer who people WANT to watch because he may do something spectacular at any minute. Couple that with a constant television presence (which the Utes or TCU never got in their heydays) and the drama of possibly busting the playoffs (that is not likely to happen), there is no way BYU gets dropped from a New Years Bowl in favor of a more mediocre, and worse in every measureable way, P5 team. It's just way too easy to include them and bet that they don't go undefeated for another 30 years. As much as people want to disparage BYU's SOS it isn't all that horrible in comparison with the other "BCS Buster" teams of the past, or even with what the ACC or BIG will end up with, so it is silly to presume that 6 is their ceiling. It would especially be humorous if the big 12 was unable to move a once or twice defeated champion ahead of BYU in the rankings because of a lack of a championship game. BYU has to win 10 more games though which isn't easy. . .
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Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

EVERY YEAR. Y'all never learn.

#ZoobsGonnaZoob


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UGLI baby said:
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

EVERY YEAR. Y'all never learn.

#ZoobsGonnaZoob


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It has been a long time since one could argue that BYU will probably be favored over every remaining team left on their schedule. A twisted ankle for Taysom could end the party real quick, but right now BYU is rolling and finally playing exciting football. Hell, I'm just happy that I can watch a quarterback who can actually score the ball and without me needing some exotic cable or Dish package. The winning is just icing for right now.
 
College football really should go to a relegation system.

Top Tier: 4 Conferences of 12.

The Champ of each Conference goes on to play in the playoff.
Each year the bottom team in each conference gets knocked down to the 2nd tier.

2nd Tier: 8 Divisions of 10(2 divisions per conference)

The champ of 2 Divisions will play a bowl game. The winner moves up to the Top Tier.

Further Bowl games could be played by invitation.
 
Imagine if BYU and Utah were at the top of the second tier one year playing to see who got promoted or at the bottom of the first playing to stave off demotion. This would add lots of exciting games every year.
 
framer said:
It has been a long time since one could argue that BYU will probably be favored over every remaining team left on their schedule. A twisted ankle for Taysom could end the party real quick, but right now BYU is rolling and finally playing exciting football. Hell, I'm just happy that I can watch a quarterback who can actually score the ball and without me needing some exotic cable or Dish package. The winning is just icing for right now.
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Won't be favored against UCF or Cal, and will get beat by both.


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