2014 College Football

[Saint Cy of JFC]

@PKM the SEC is absolutely over rated.

I believe they are the best conference, but they also get waaaaaay too much benefit of the doubt.

They are at a point where they never have to play anyone out of conference, which is tarded.

Again, I do think the SEC is the best conference, but not by nearly as big a margin as people think. Laugh if you want, but the fact that Missouri and Texas A&M came and competed right away is very very telling.

it shouldn't be a given that the best SEC team is THE best team in the nation, And that any 1 loss SeC team is the best 1 loss team etc etc. To me, it's just super lazy and a crutch that voters lean on instead of actually looking at individual team and conference opponents year to year.

Source: Pac-12 fan.

Auburn played K-State (#20 ranked at the time, #11 ranked now) on the road and won.

LSU played Wisconsin (#14 ranked at the time) and won.

Florida is set to play #2 FSU (preseason ranked #1)

Georgia played (then ranked) #16 Clemson (won). (Now ranked #22)

South Carolina is set to play Clemson also.

Tennessee played #4 ranked Oklahoma and lost. Tennesse sucks doe.

Who did the PAC-12 schedule and beat? I know Oregon played and beat Mich St and a few of teams have scheduled Notre Dame (Standord loss to them) so I don't see the PAC-12 as a whole scheduling difficult OOC games and winning them all to prove they are a power conference.

So I debunked y'alls ******** nonsense that he SEC doesn't schedule top ranked OOC opponents. Not every team does, but we do so across more teams than the PAC-12 does.

 

[Dr. Jones]

He's got a valid point. The SEC keeps their reputation by never putting it on the line. Except for the very top of the conference in one game to end the season. And LSU jumping Utah is a joke. Their schedule is pathetic. They have essentially beat 1 decent team in 3 tries, at home.

I'll give u LSU.. SEC fans agree.

But the first part of your post is terrible.

 

[Deleted member 848]

SEC is overrated, and UGLI's post is quite accurate.


Source: not a fan of any particular conference.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He's got a valid point. The SEC keeps their reputation by never putting it on the line. Except for the very top of the conference in one game to end the season. And LSU jumping Utah is a joke. Their schedule is pathetic. They have essentially beat 1 decent team in 3 tries, at home.

Auburn was a road game.....

They lost to two top 5 teams and beat 1 top 3 team. Decent teams? Try elite teams.

As far as "decent wins" they dominated a good UK team and beat a good Wisconsin team.

They also never loss to Washington State at home....

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

SEC is overrated, and UGLI's post is quite accurate.


Source: not a fan of any particular conference.

Source: A Canadian

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'll give u LSU.. SEC fans agree.

But the first part of your post is terrible.

How is LSU jumping Utah a joke?

LSU just beat Ole Miss, a team that was arguably playing the hottest football in the nation.

Their only 2 losses are to top 5 teams. Utah's only loss is to a really bad team.

Both teams have two ranked victories. The difference is that Utah's loss came to an unranked team who is very very unranked.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Source: A Canadian

He is right to an extent. The SEC isn't as strong throughout as it usually is. The East sucks for the most part this year. The West is strong as ever though and LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, and Alabama are all extremely good football teams and probably better than anything the PAC-12 has (I would probably drop LSU from that list and put some of the better PAC-12 teams ahead of them).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Source: Pac-12 fan.

Auburn played K-State (#20 ranked at the time, #11 ranked now) on the road and won.

LSU played Wisconsin (#14 ranked at the time) and won.

Florida is set to play #2 FSU (preseason ranked #1)

Georgia played (then ranked) #16 Clemson (won). (Now ranked #22)

South Carolina is set to play Clemson also.

Tennessee played #4 ranked Oklahoma and lost. Tennesse sucks doe.

Who did the PAC-12 schedule and beat? I know Oregon played and beat Mich St and a few of teams have scheduled Notre Dame (Standord loss to them) so I don't see the PAC-12 as a whole scheduling difficult OOC games and winning them all to prove they are a power conference.

So I debunked y'alls ******** nonsense that he SEC doesn't schedule top ranked OOC opponents. Not every team does, but we do so across more teams than the PAC-12 does.

Quoted cuz I added **** to it that makes y'all look like idiots.

From my count the SEC scheduled 6 (preseason ranked) opponets vs. the PAC-12's 4. (We do have 2 more teams though, so the ratios are 6/14 to 4/12, advantage still to the SEC)

So far the SEC is 3-1 in those games and PAC-12 is 1-1.

 

[Dr. Jones]

How is LSU jumping Utah a joke?

LSU just beat Ole Miss, a team that was arguably playing the hottest football in the nation.

Their only 2 losses are to top 5 teams. Utah's only loss is to a really bad team.

Both teams have two ranked victories. The difference is that Utah's loss came to an unranked team who is very very unranked.

I just meant that LSU is down this year, comparatively speaking.

This whole thing started with green claiming the SEC is overrated, citing various hilarity as reasons so.
it's so absurd it doesn't warrant any further discussion.. if it can even be called that. SEC is the most dominant conference, of any sport, in the world.. and it's not close.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Source: Pac-12 fan.

Auburn played K-State (#20 ranked at the time, #11 ranked now) on the road and won.

LSU played Wisconsin (#14 ranked at the time) and won.

Florida is set to play #2 FSU (preseason ranked #1)

Georgia played (then ranked) #16 Clemson (won). (Now ranked #22)

South Carolina is set to play Clemson also.

Tennessee played #4 ranked Oklahoma and lost. Tennesse sucks doe.

Who did the PAC-12 schedule and beat? I know Oregon played and beat Mich St and a few of teams have scheduled Notre Dame (Standord loss to them) so I don't see the PAC-12 as a whole scheduling difficult OOC games and winning them all to prove they are a power conference.

So I debunked y'alls ******** nonsense that he SEC doesn't schedule top ranked OOC opponents. Not every team does, but we do so across more teams than the PAC-12 does.

I don't think you get to say "K St. Ranked #20 then, now #11" Then say "Wisconsin ranked #14 at the time" (you did this a couple times, just one example) it makes your argument inconsistent. JMO.

Auburn was a road game.....

They lost to two top 5 teams and beat 1 top 3 team. Decent teams? Try elite teams.

As far as "decent wins" they dominated a good UK team and beat a good Wisconsin team.

They also never loss to Washington State at home....

I absolutely think that the SEC is the best conference. But I think the problem people have is that we always assume the best for SEC teams and (often) the worst for other teams. Like Ole Miss beat Bama at home, Bama was obviously not playing their best at the time; see: 1 point win against Arkansas a week later. Ole Miss then beat A&M who we now know is trash. So is Ole Miss awesome? Or did they have one really nice win, but isn't really a contender? And so does LSU really deserve to jump 8(?) spots for beating them? Especially when they have been getting trashed by analysts all year, Suddenly they are a real threat? Weird.

Or like Oregon, they lost to what we now know is a really good Arizona team, with basically no starting O-lineman. They are STILL trying to recover from that loss. Alternatively, people didn't say "Wow that Ole Miss loss looks even worse now, maybe Bama isn't all that." Instead it's "OMG, LSU is awesome! they beat the team that beat Bama!" What other conference would get that treatment? Bama since the loss has struggled vs Arkansas, crushed A&M, and beat Tennessee. Oregon has crushed everyone since losing, and they lost earlier, which always seems to affect voting (Ole Miss drops behind several one loss teams because theirs is the most recent.). So why does Bama (and Auburn) get to make up the deficit and jump back into the top-3/4 so quick? Have they looked better than Oregon since losing? Do wither of them have a win against a team as good as MSU? I think that's what people mean when they say SEC gets favored.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think you get to say "K St. Ranked #20 then, now #11" Then say "Wisconsin ranked #14 at the time" (you did this a couple times, just one example) it makes your argument inconsistent. JMO.

I absolutely think that the SEC is the best conference. But I think the problem people have is that we always assume the best for SEC teams and (often) the worst for other teams. Like Ole Miss beat Bama at home, Bama was obviously not playing their best at the time; see: 1 point win against Arkansas a week later. Ole Miss then beat A&M who we now know is trash. So is Ole Miss awesome? Or did they have one really nice win, but isn't really a contender? And so does LSU really deserve to jump 8(?) spots for beating them? Especially when they have been getting trashed by analysts all year, Suddenly they are a real threat? Weird.

Or like Oregon, they lost to what we now know is a really good Arizona team, with basically no starting O-lineman. They are STILL trying to recover from that loss. Alternatively, people didn't say "Wow that Ole Miss loss looks even worse now, maybe Bama isn't all that." Instead it's "OMG, LSU is awesome! they beat the team that beat Bama!" What other conference would get that treatment? Bama since the loss has struggled vs Arkansas, crushed A&M, and beat Tennessee. Oregon has crushed everyone since losing, and they lost earlier, which always seems to affect voting (Ole Miss drops behind several one loss teams because theirs is the most recent.). So why does Bama (and Auburn) get to make up the deficit and jump back into the top-3/4 so quick? Have they looked better than Oregon since losing? Do wither of them have a win against a team as good as MSU? I think that's what people mean when they say SEC gets favored.

Not really, the argument is that the SEC isn't scheduling hard OOC games. A team can only schedule based on difficulty based on the preseason rankings. I just added new rankings for teams that have a different rank, when I didn't post a new rank I just assumed people knew they weren't ranked. I clearly pointed out a team, like Clemson, who dropped to a new lower rank. Anyways, my point remains either way, the SEC scheduled a higher % of ranked OOC opponents than the PAC-12 did.

Orgeon is ranked #5, so not sure how they are struggling. Every team above them probably deserves to be on top of them because they have losses to better teams. Arizona only has 2 wins vs. teams with winning records too, and by our account, one of those wins was against an extremely crippled team. They could easily fall off in the 2nd half when they face some harder teams.

Auburn probably has the hardest schedule in all of Football. They scheduled a hard OOC road game and play 3 Top 10 ranked opponents on the road to end the season. OH YEAH AND THEY PLAYED IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP (BARELY LOST REMEMBNER) GAME THE YEAR BEFORE SO THEY STARTED OUT RANKED REALLY SUPER HIGH BECAUSE THEY DESERVED IT AND RETURNED ONE OF THE BEST QB'S IN THE NATION.

Bama is ****ing Bama, stupid *** question. When you have won multiple championships in the last 4 years, you kind of deserve the benefit of the doubt. Their only loss was by 6 on the road @ Ole Miss. They destroyed A&M with a 59 point shutout, yeah A&M sucks, but a shutout of any opponent is very impressive especially since A&M's offense had been really legit up until that point.

And lol at this "struggling" when a team wins. A win is a win. I said the same thing in defense of Utah when they had to go to overtime to beat Oregon State.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

So Bama hasn't beaten a good team all year, got crushed by OU in their most recent bowl game, but deserves the ranking based on 'being Bama' and benefit of the doubt. That's why people think the SEC is overrated.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Well ladies, that loss was surprisingly easy to take after going through that weekend already that had both the Taysom Hill injury/first BYU loss and Arizona State beating SC on a hail mary earlier this year. Still sucks though. The only difference this weekend was that I was present at both games.....on the road. So I've already had my share of trash talk from Boise and Utah fans. Good thing the Utah fans were unaware that I was also a BYU fan.....

Utah's very Stanford like this year. They win close games, but their total offense and defense rankings are meh, and I can't say anything too positive about them really. Just win baby, because it is going to be ugly every time if it happens.

 

[NCJazz]

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[trigg3r]

Not really, the argument is that the SEC isn't scheduling hard OOC games. A team can only schedule based on difficulty based on the preseason rankings. I just added new rankings for teams that have a different rank, when I didn't post a new rank I just assumed people knew they weren't ranked. I clearly pointed out a team, like Clemson, who dropped to a new lower rank. Anyways, my point remains either way, the SEC scheduled a higher % of ranked OOC opponents than the PAC-12 did.

Orgeon is ranked #5, so not sure how they are struggling. Every team above them probably deserves to be on top of them because they have losses to better teams. Arizona only has 2 wins vs. teams with winning records too, and by our account, one of those wins was against an extremely crippled team. They could easily fall off in the 2nd half when they face some harder teams.

Auburn probably has the hardest schedule in all of Football. They scheduled a hard OOC road game and play 3 Top 10 ranked opponents on the road to end the season. OH YEAH AND THEY PLAYED IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP (BARELY LOST REMEMBNER) GAME THE YEAR BEFORE SO THEY STARTED OUT RANKED REALLY SUPER HIGH BECAUSE THEY DESERVED IT AND RETURNED ONE OF THE BEST QB'S IN THE NATION.

Bama is ****ing Bama, stupid *** question. When you have won multiple championships in the last 4 years, you kind of deserve the benefit of the doubt. Their only loss was by 6 on the road @ Ole Miss. They destroyed A&M with a 59 point shutout, yeah A&M sucks, but a shutout of any opponent is very impressive especially since A&M's offense had been really legit up until that point.

And lol at this "struggling" when a team wins. A win is a win. I said the same thing in defense of Utah when they had to go to overtime to beat Oregon State.

Past performance really shouldn't matter in the discussion. Present romance is really all that counts. I don't care if Auburn nearly won a championship or that Bama has been good in years past. I agree that the SEC is the best conference in terms of football talent. I disagree when you say it isn't a little bit overrated this year by the voters. Ole Miss should've fallen out of the top 10 and LSU didn't deserve the jump in the polls it received.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So Bama hasn't beaten a good team all year, got crushed by OU in their most recent bowl game, but deserves the ranking based on 'being Bama' and benefit of the doubt. That's why people think the SEC is overrated.

So they should be ranked below Oregon because Bama lost to Ole Miss and Oregon loss to Arizona?

I don't know what you are complaining about. We will know how good Bama is very soon since they play LSU, MSU, and Auburn in upcoming weeks.

 

[trigg3r]

Well ladies, that loss was surprisingly easy to take after going through that weekend already that had both the Taysom Hill injury/first BYU loss and Arizona State beating SC on a hail mary earlier this year. Still sucks though. The only difference this weekend was that I was present at both games.....on the road. So I've already had my share of trash talk from Boise and Utah fans. Good thing the Utah fans were unaware that I was also a BYU fan.....

Utah's very Stanford like this year. They win close games, but their total offense and defense rankings are meh, and I can't say anything too positive about them really. Just win baby, because it is going to be ugly every time if it happens.

Blah blah blah blah..... Just shut up and eat your crow already.

 

[trigg3r]

So they should be ranked below Oregon because Bama lost to Ole Miss and Oregon loss to Arizona?

I don't know what you are complaining about. We will know how good Bama is very soon since they play LSU, MSU, and Auburn in upcoming weeks.

Agreed on this. We will get a much better picture after these games are played.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Past performance really shouldn't matter in the discussion. Present romance is really all that counts. I don't care if Auburn nearly won a championship or that Bama has been good in years past. I agree that the SEC is the best conference in terms of football talent. I disagree when you say it isn't a little bit overrated this year by the voters. Ole Miss should've fallen out of the top 10 and LSU didn't deserve the jump in the polls it received.

Why should Ole Miss fall out of the top 10? Because LSU loss two games to opponents that were ranked in the top 3? Because they loss in what is considered to be the hardest stadium to play in the league?

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Blah blah blah blah..... Just shut up and eat your crow already.

USC is still taking the Pac South.