Kanter restricted Free Agent

[Stifle Tower]

I agree the traditional grind it out, make the game ugly strategy is currently not en vogue (except in Memphis), but the fact that SA was a good offensive team doesn't make me believe Kanter is more valuable than Favors or Gobert. Big men have much more opportunity to affect the game on the defensive side of the ball than the offensive side of the ball.

To further your argument and response to tleikheen, also remember the shoot first, play no defense strategy has been done a few times in the NBA. And those teams, while exciting to watch, didn't make it very far in the playoffs.

SA pretty much invented the "3 and D" terminology. What does that second part stand for? Ummm...DEFENSE! SA did dominate Miami with their motion offense. But they were also more than adequate defensively. In fact, in terms of points allowed, Miami and SA were 5th and 6th, respectively, in the NBA last season. I think the most you could say is that with a near push in defensive prowess, SA's superior offense gave them the ultimate edge. But it clearly was not just a case of a great offense team beating a great defensive one.

tleikheen,
Did you miss the part where Snyder talked about the Jazz' transition defense? He wants less emphasis on getting offensive rebounds and more on stopping teams in transition. He also talked about contesting shots and running teams off the 3-pt line, citing a 7% FG differential between contested shots vs. open shots. Playing with pace does NOT mean run and gun. San Antonio may have been the 6th best team offensively, but they were also the 6th best DEFENSIVE team in terms of points allowed per game.

Of the top-15 defensive teams (PPG), only TWO did not make the playoffs last season. Of the top-15 offensive teams, FIVE did not make the playoffs. I think being a great defensive team clearly is of greater importance than being a top offensive team. Although the key to being a true contender lies in being in the top-tier in both categories.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Sayonara, señor Kantor.

 

[akirac73]

After seeing how the Hayward situation played out last season, I think it's a no brainer for every Jazz Player to opt for restricted free agency. What's the risk? You can have a really bad season and still get max money.

 

[Jazz4ever]

After seeing how the Hayward situation played out last season, I think it's a no brainer for every Jazz Player to opt for restricted free agency. What's the risk? You can have a really bad season and still get max money.

lol, the risk is you tear an acl, achilles, etc.
Also you might want to ask Greg Monroe how his max extension offer went....

 

[fishonjazz]

I still think that offensively kanter will be very good this season and his three ball will come around

 

[mfree]

Kanter aint Hayward

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd be really curious to know what the Jazz offered... Kanter has had injury issues. I may have thought long and hard about it if I was him.

 

[jumpin bean]

we havent played 1 game yet and the Kanter haters already have him gone..he is a Jazzman and the team is ready to show what they have got.things will work out the way they are supposed to.lets just focus on team and not players right now ,root for them all to shine and go 1 and 0 on the season.go Jazz

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

we havent played 1 game yet and the Kanter haters already have him gone..he is a Jazzman and the team is ready to show what they have got.things will work out the way they are supposed to.lets just focus on team and not players right now ,root for them all to shine and go 1 and 0 on the season.go Jazz

Don't get me wrong I want him to succeed... he's a Jazzman... and he is very likeable. Will be rooting for him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

After seeing how the Hayward situation played out last season, I think it's a no brainer for every Jazz Player to opt for restricted free agency. What's the risk? You can have a really bad season and still get max money.

It depends on the agent/player.

Hayward came from a decently well off family, so he could afford to risk it. He was also one of his agents only players, so his agent wanted to make a name for himself, which probably led him to advise Hayward to go for the max.

It all depends on how risk adverse the agent/player is. Favors was very risk adverse and took less money for added security.

Does Burks want security or money? Who knows. I know his agent has a lot of high end clients, so it's not like he is banking on Alec's next contract to make his name.

 

[Fishsticks]

There's no doubt Kanter is going to make serious money for his career,he's only 22 with a huge upside ...his ceiling is higher than both Favors and Gobert whether anybody likes it or not
This is an offensive league ,not a defensive league ...San Antonio destroyed that defense 1st mentality ,all headlines were about their offense .....Kanter will get into a groove and it won't stop.Right now he's adding a long range game to his inside game .Utah will be a minor league team developing young talent for title contenders if they develop Kanter into being a 20/10 player and let him go .

LOL what planet are you from?

 

[zbone]

I am a huge Kanter homer but you can't deny his projected ceiling has been lowering each year. It eventually will come down to how much he wants to stay in Utah which also depends a lot on how Snyder will make him feel this season.

 

[MDAV28]

I don't see how Kanter stays around. Unless Gobert really shows that he can never be a starter this season, and Kanter makes a huge impact (hit 3s consistently, rebound effectively, massive improvement in passing), I can't see us dropping the money on him. He will obviously have to completely suck for his value to decrease, in which case would we even want him?

I hope he has a good contract season but I bet he's going to be playing for another team.

 

[Hekate]

Moe Harkless got a DNP and he is not injured. Kanter for Harkless, staight? anyone?

 

[NAOS]

Moe Harkless got a DNP and he is not injured. Kanter for Harkless, staight? anyone?

Seriously, WTF's up with Harkless?

I don't think I'd do it, straight up. But I'd counter for more and see where it went. I think Vaughn is a bad coach; and I think Snyder could add value to a guy like Harkless.

 

[Hekate]

Seriously, WTF's up with Harkless?

I don't think I'd do it, straight up. But I'd counter for more and see where it went. I think Vaughn is a bad coach; and I think Snyder could add value to a guy like Harkless.

Tons of potential and he is in a rebuilding team. Mind-boggling that he didn't play. Unless, of course, there were some personal problems. I would love the trade even if it is straight up. I don't like anyone else on Magic and they wouldn't give up any first round pick.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Moe Harkless got a DNP and he is not injured. Kanter for Harkless, staight? anyone?

I think mid December would be the earliest you would see a trade. DL wants to see just a little more of Kanter in the system.

 

[freakazoid]

Let's see how he plays in a contract year, and then if he ends up not playing all that well, we can go ahead and match a max offer anyway.

Fixed it.

 

[VINYLONE]

Regardless of this news, this season most probably will be the last year for Kanter with the Jazz.

It's sad to me since I believe the Jazz will be on the rise with or without Kanter from now on. But with the bad luck and the bad agent Kanter has, I bet he will end up on a stupid eastern conference team under another horrible coach, after Corbin.

Kanter has one lousy agent and he suffered for that.
He WILL suffer more.
he deserved it, tho.

I don't have any issues with Kanter but I can see how he is expendable on this team. Both of you reference issues with this agent. Is there some specific information on this? I dont know what you guys are referencing.

 

[mhindy]

Kanter does not have the IQ to play in this system. Not even close.