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More death threats -- Woman take video of her walk through New York

I'm sure all you guys can rationalize your way out of agreeing that woman have to deal with **** like this on a daily basis and that is sad and wrong. Denial is just one more step towards healing.


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Imagine that woman is your mother, sister, or daughter and get back to me.


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I live in New Orleans. Four out of five times I go to the grocery store someone I have never seen before often talks with me, just small talk often about sports or something (I am not wearing clothing revealing I am a sports fan). It is part of the culture here. Often old black ladies call me "sweetie" or "darling" to me. I am going to link my paypal account soon, please donate to my cause to help fight against this oppression.
 
Turkish Nightmare said:
I live in New Orleans. Four out of five times I go to the grocery store someone I have never seen before often talks with me, just small talk often about sports or something (I am not wearing clothing revealing I am a sports fan). It is part of the culture here. Often old black ladies call me "sweetie" or "darling" to me. I am going to link my paypal account soon, please donate to my cause to help fight against this oppression.
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Remember, "how ya doin" is blatantly sexist and overtly demeaning and everyone who says it is a misogynistic pig.

Don't even get them started on darlin'.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Imagine that woman is your mother, sister, or daughter and get back to me.


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Why? Can't we just treat people the way they want to be treated without them being blood relatives?
 
freakazoid said:
Wow, I am amazed at how much insight you've brought to this discussion. Keep up the good work.
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Right back at you. You've blamed women for this problem. I think you're wrong and part of the problem. Enjoy.


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LogGrad98 said:
Remember, "how ya doin" is blatantly sexist and overtly demeaning and everyone who says it is a misogynistic pig.

Don't even get them started on darlin'.
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It's not just "how ya doin". It is that they demand an answer when they say "how ya doin". It's because they think they have a right to say anything to any women they wish to.
 
Hekate said:
It's not just "how ya doin". It is that they demand an answer when they say "how ya doin". It's because they think they have a right to say anything to any women they wish to.
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That's just how they trivialize the subject. They're perfectly aware that the issue is with men who feel the need to let random women know 'yes, I do want to **** you' when they're just going about their day.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I'm sure all you guys can rationalize your way out of agreeing that woman have to deal with **** like this on a daily basis and that is sad and wrong. Denial is just one more step towards healing.


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Please quote all the posts that support this assertion. Thank you.
 
Hekate said:
It's not just "how ya doin". It is that they demand an answer when they say "how ya doin". It's because they think they have a right to say anything to any women they wish to.
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So you want to go ahead and tell us what everyone is allowed to say and what they are not?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Well watched the video. Not sure how much they edited out but in that group there were roughly 6 guys that were true tools. I am not counting the "how ya doin" thrown out there by dudes that might just sit there and "how ya doin" everyone that walks by. So 6 assholes after 10 hours in a city of 2 million. I would say the odds were in her favor. I would have expected a LOT more crap with that large a pool of humanity to draw from.
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Ok I'll use one of yours. You're trying, like some in this thread, to marginalized a woman's experience. A simple experience of walking down the street. Ask your female friends who live in an urban setting, who walk and interact with people face to face daily, what its like to deal with men cat calling them while they're trying to get **** done. It sucks, it's threatening, and degrading. My wife and friends deal with it daily. Maybe you live in suburbia, travel by car, and don't see this as much, but it's a problem. A bunch of men handing over an opinion and blaming women for feeling uncomfortable and threatened makes my blood boil. Put yourself in others shoes for one ****ing second and realize **** you say, no matter your intention, matters and can be hurtful and threatening, even if you don't mean it that way.




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I don't catcall. I never would. I find it pretty classless.

But what is the solution here? What is it exactly that we can change? Do we just show these guys that their actions are unwanted and make other people uncomfortable and it goes away?

I empathize with that woman. If I was in her shoes I would definitely be uncomfortable. But what did any one of those men do that we could force them to stop doing?
 
I want to post this thought separately.

That fact is that confident assertive bold men who are persistent get more tail than the rest of us. No two ways about it. There is absolutely a reward for being willing to approach women and to be persistent. Take away the reward and maybe the behavior will start to change...of course we'll need to breed out that tendency that had led to greater sexual success for the last few million years.
 
Gameface said:
I want to post this thought separately.

That fact is that confident assertive bold men who are persistent get more tail than the rest of us. No two ways about it. There is absolutely a reward for being willing to approach women and to be persistent. Take away the reward and maybe the behavior will start to change...of course we'll need to breed out that tendency that had led to greater sexual success for the last few million years.
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Right - I was saying there is no practical way to eliminate what that video proposes aside from legislation about verbally communicating with strangers in public.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Imagine that woman is your mother, sister, or daughter and get back to me.


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I'm actually really glad you brought this up, and it's a legitimate point. Nice to see you making somewhat of an effort to discuss this intelligently, as opposed to the crap posts that make up the majority of your input in this thread.
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I don't have any daughters, but I do have two sisters, and if I was walking behind her during this video, I would have had something to say to a couple of guys that didn't let it go when they were ignored. Having said that, I would say nothing to those who greeted her and let it go at that. Even though she may have been uncomfortable with those comments, that is a part of life that will NEVER change, but a woman can minimize this, if she really wants to.
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That doesn't mean I believe it's her responsibility to make up for other peoples shortcomings, or that we shouldn't try to change things for the better, but how about we accept our CURRENT reality for what it is, instead of pretending that all human beings are capable of understanding the greater good. Some people are BAD, and some GOOD people often act shamefully, and that is a situation that will remain constant, no matter how much we wish it wasn't true.
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In other words, women are ALWAYS going to be uncomfortable with unwanted advances, and it's absolutely silly to think that the awkwardness involved with trying to meet members of the opposite sex, is somehow going to be perfected to the point that nobody ever creeps anybody else out. That will always be true, at least on this planet.
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Greeting a stranger in such a way may be tacky(in this case, it is), but it is FAR from a behavior that should be addressed by law, which is what I take when people use terms such as harassment and victim. The woman was harassed a few times, but that's not the majority of the video. I take exception to "hey baby" being called harassment. That is a disservice and an insult to people who have truly had to deal with sexual harassment in their lives.
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Now, I want to address OB's question of responsibility. There have been a couple of really dumbass posts in this thread, but this issue isn't about responsibility. There are always going to be ****ty people in this world, who do what they want to do, regardless of the way society views them. It's ****ty behavior, but it's a part of reality that isn't changing any time soon.
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I have no problem with trying to change this attitude, but if I had a daughter, I would explain this to her (AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, stop the selective reading), : Even if she walked down the street naked, there is NEVER any excuse for a man to rape a woman. However, if you walk around naked, it might increase your odds of getting raped. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RESPONSIBLITY, but instead involves common sense in avoiding things you don't want to happen to you.
 
One Brow said:
Context is everything. This woman is walking down the street, not looking at the men. They are disturbing her, over and over. Basically, she's being treated like a piece of meat. What would you suggest she needs to do to be left alone?

I flirt with women regularly, but it's women I have met and am already talking to. I don't go to single's bars anymore, but those are also great places to strike up a flirtation from scratch. I'm sure you can come up with others.
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Culturally ingrained bigotry tbh. How dare you think those women aren't out for a fun girls night out instead of male harassment?

While I might sound facetious, this is possibly the biggest arena of unwanted and aggressive male on female harassment in America. Please don't promote it.
 
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