Congresswoman shot.

[The Thriller]

You right wing nutcakes are out to lunch with this. This murder was 100 % politically motivated. There's no ifs or buts about it.

You guys honestly don't think that your garbage printed and broadcasted over the past few years hasn't influenced this man? We've seen this trash in the debate over health care. In fact, we see it even today with people writing into the Dnews complaining about Obama's vacationing. Why? Because Sean Hannity this past weekend made it an issue. The right's never relenting attacks on "Liberals" is influencing more and more civil people to become uncivil, and more and more unbalanced people murders.

"I can't trust the current government,"

This has been the main theme for the past two years from fox, the tea baggers, and am radio.

In fact, there isn't one single quote from any of his videos that I haven't seen repeatedly on Glenn Beck's show.

In one video, he "claims that the College is illegal according to the U.S. Constitution.

All purchases for an educational course in The United States as of now are unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution. A student paying for a Pima Community College course is a purchase for an educational course in the United States as of now. Therefore, a student paying for a Pima Community College course is unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution.

How often conservatives have focused the last two years on what's constitutional and not. Lee in Utah won an election for being a "Constitutional Expert." His main goal is to repeal Obamacare since it's unconstitutional.

The government is implying mind control an

d brainwash on the people by controlling grammar."

How often have we heard about how the big old government is trying to take over everyone's lives?

You cannot tell me that these quotes, from famous conservative media members aren't having an effect on Americans:

The only [Katrina victims] we're seeing on television are the scumbags.

"So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening."

"This president I think has exposed himself over and over again as a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture....I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist."

"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong?

You can't tell me these types of rants... With Beck acting as a Obama pouring gasoline upon a the man. Just watch this rant. I have no doubt that this crap is contributing to the hate overflowing in America:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNp9GSbFQhQ

 

[The Thriller]

I donna know? Where were you when threats were being made against Bush?

Was the person holding up this sign a major personage of the media being seen and trusted by millions of Americans?

See, that's the difference. I have no doubt terrible things were said about Bush. But they weren't being said nonstop by so many prominent members of the media. Today, you cannot watch or listen to one episode of Hannity, Rush, Beck, or O'Reiley without swallowing hatred. Those men are watched, listened to, and trusted by millions of Americans.

So it's clearly not the same as some random person with a "Kill Bush" sign.

 

[Marty McFly]

The Tea Party and many of it's followers have promoted violence ever since it started. I'm surprised nothing happened sooner.

 

[KatieMCR]

This is a terrible tragedy. My thoughts are with all those who have been affected. I hope for a speedy recovery for those who are still fighting to pull through. I will be attending a memorial vigil for those affected by this tragedy at the Utah state capitol this Wednesday. I encourage others to attend.

Here is Keith Olbermann with a special comment on the situation. I hope to not see more tragedies like the one we saw today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd0eRP0R-gs

 

[Beantown]

The Tea Party and many of it's followers have promoted violence ever since it started. I'm surprised nothing happened sooner.

Don't act like it doesn't come from both sides. Even Olbermann could admit that in that video. People talked about acting violent towards Bush all the time. Not to mention there was a mainstream "hypothetical assassination" film about Bush. Violent suggestions have been spoken about Beck, Hannity or Limbaugh....or even Palin.

There are many people I dislike on both sides but Olbermann is right in saying it has to stop now. Trying to put this one group of people does not do any good.

 

[Marty McFly]

Again, threats by some random wackos are a different story, and are expected, especially against someone who did as many terrible things as GWB did. Many of these Tea Party personalities on TV/radio spread hate and encourage violence. I've never seen a liberal host say anything like that.

 

[Beantown]

Again, threats by some random wackos are a different story, and are expected, especially against someone who did as many terrible things as GWB did. Many of these Tea Party personalities on TV/radio spread hate and encourage violence. I've never seen a liberal host say anything like that.

You are an idiot, watch Olbermann's video. He himself apologized for violent comments he made in the past.

 

[Archie Moses]

First and foremost, thoughts and prayers to the victims and their family and friends. Such a sad story.


Second, the political douchenuggets of jazzfanz.com turn a tragedy into a political pissing contest. Grow up.

 

[Marty McFly]

You are an idiot, watch Olbermann's video. He himself apologized for violent comments he made in the past.

You really think what he may have said in the past compares in any way to what the Tea Party revolution supports and encourages? It's not even close. The proof is right in front of you. How many republican politicans have been shot by random Keith Olberman fans in the past couple of years?

 

[Beantown]

You really think what he may have said in the past compares in any way to what the Tea Party revolution supports and encourages? It's not even close. The proof is in the pudding. How many republican politicans have been shot by random Keith Olberman fans in the past couple of years?

Wow.

 

[Marty McFly]

Wow.

Solid argument, as usual.

 

[Beantown]

You really think what he may have said in the past compares in any way to what the Tea Party revolution supports and encourages? It's not even close. The proof is right in front of you. How many republican politicans have been shot by random Keith Olberman fans in the past couple of years?

You are actually saying that Palin and the Tea Party were the reason this man shot all these people? Right now there is no evidence in support of that. In all his videos or writings there is no mention of the Tea party or any right wing commentator. I am going to take a lucky guess and say that you don't work for the FBI. Also what the hell is a "politican"?

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Can you elaborate? I'd like to know more about this.

Orwell via British Intelligence services, The Huxley family knew everyone that mattered in the Anglo-British power structure.

It all started with the theory of Evolution. Grandpa Huxley and Darwin were chums. Darwin comes out with the theory of Evolution, and everybody thinks it's complete ****(and probably rightfully so). Through the years Darwin still remains well thought of in the Huxley clan and they remain active in the scientific world. Then Julian Huxley, Aldous' brother, comes along and realizes that he if he can convince people of the theory of Evolution, they can use it as a pretext for population control/abortion/eugenics. So obviously, that was something of a god send for the oligarchical structure of the world. They love that stuff. Even today people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerberg, Rockefellers, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha(aka the Windsors), Ted Turner, John Holdren, yada, yada, damn near every foundation out there, etc. pushes population control/abortion/eugenics and that's the reason evolution is taught in schools. So the Huxleys, already a part of the oligarchical elite by birth, became elevated even higher inside that structure due to their scientific vision of what evolution could be promoted into and expressed their ideas in meetings with other big wigs, and that's where Aldous' entire conceptual framework for his books came from.

And of course, and completely fitting for this thread I might add, evolution and the Anglo-British elites' politicizing of it were a big inspiration for barbarians of the 20th century that came subsequently.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

You really think what he may have said in the past compares in any way to what the Tea Party revolution supports and encourages?

Please enlighten us. What does the tea party support that is so dangerous? The constitution? Freedom? I've never a seen a lick of evidence that it's a violent movement. The tea party aren't going to be the people smashing windows and causing violence when **** hits the fan, that much is clear by the actions of the far left in other countries. The left in this country are all wannabe Europeans, their story has already been told.

 

[candrew]

You are actually saying that Palin and the Tea Party were the reason this man shot all these people? Right now there is no evidence in support of that.

In conclusion, reading the second United States constitution I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

OK, yeah, this guy is clearly bat-****; but have you ever seen or heard a Tea Party rally in its entirety? I have. Go to one BEFORE the keynote speaker arrives and listen to the "warm-up" act which is usually some local low level public official or radio personality. This is pretty much what you'll hear.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

You are actually saying that Palin and the Tea Party were the reason this man shot all these people? Right now there is no evidence in support of that. In all his videos or writings there is no mention of the Tea party or any right wing commentator. I am going to take a lucky guess and say that you don't work for the FBI. Also what the hell is a "politican"?

Beantown, are you a Tea Party and/or Palin supporter?

 

[moevillini]

Don't act like it doesn't come from both sides. Even Olbermann could admit that in that video. People talked about acting violent towards Bush all the time. Not to mention there was a mainstream "hypothetical assassination" film about Bush. Violent suggestions have been spoken about Beck, Hannity or Limbaugh....or even Palin.

There are many people I dislike on both sides but Olbermann is right in saying it has to stop now. Trying to put this one group of people does not do any good.

You are actually saying that Palin and the Tea Party were the reason this man shot all these people? Right now there is no evidence in support of that. In all his videos or writings there is no mention of the Tea party or any right wing commentator. I am going to take a lucky guess and say that you don't work for the FBI. Also what the hell is a "politican"?

Wow, on all sides, there's a lot of rhetoric from some of you that is oversimplifying and overgeneralizing the situation. Yeah, I usually poke fun at him, but Beantown made some good points in these two posts. And thanks, Katie, for posting the Olbermann video.

Anyhow, do you 20 and 30-somethings honestly think this is the work of a politically-inspired 22 year old acting completely on his own? From my perspective, when I picture a 22 year old taking this type of violent action, it's against a girlfriend who broke up with him, or his parents who are "controlling" him, or a coach or teacher who's humiliated him, or classmates or whatever. Or perhaps a nutcase like John Hinckley shooting the President to get Jodie Foster's attention...

But not against an elected official because they disagree with them, know what I mean?


There's been talk that Jared Loughner did not act alone, and I've heard some reports this morning on the radio that he is starting to change his story a little bit and says that there was another person involved. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

 

[The Pearl]

Wow, on all sides, there's a lot of rhetoric from some of you that is oversimplifying and overgeneralizing the situation. Yeah, I usually poke fun at him, but Beantown made some good points in these two posts. And thanks, Katie, for posting the Olbermann video.

Anyhow, do you 20 and 30-somethings honestly think this is the work of a politically-inspired 22 year old acting completely on his own? From my perspective, when I picture a 22 year old taking this type of violent action, it's against a girlfriend who broke up with him, or his parents who are "controlling" him, or a coach or teacher who's humiliated him, or classmates or whatever. Or perhaps a nutcase like John Hinckley shooting the President to get Jodie Foster's attention...

But not against an elected official because they disagree with them, know what I mean?


There's been talk that Jared Loughner did not act alone, and I've heard some reports this morning on the radio that he is starting to change his story a little bit and says that there was another person involved. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Chances are there will be many folks and news media outlets with much egg on their faces in a few weeks.

So far the reactions have been predictable. Everybody is playing thier parts right on cue.

 

[moevillini]

Just heard that the 9 year old girl that was killed is the granddaughter of former Cubs manager (and Phillies) Dallas Green, and ironically she was born on Sept. 11, 2001. That doesn't make it any more or less sad, just an ironic twist...

 

[Beantown]

Beantown, are you a Tea Party and/or Palin supporter?

A huge NO on Palin. I don't mind the Tea Party because I am for less government and cutting the deficit but I don't agree with a lot of their other principles.

I want a balanced government and I think the Tea Party has helped establish that.