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The Pearl said:
Ok got you. The last one is wrong, I should have said the left, bad edit there by me. The right searched for the stained dress, OK, I see your point there. How does the right makes a big deal about it?
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It?

The tactics the right uses to regain power? Attacks liberalism. Liberal policies aren't popular.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I think you're a little off here. I don't think they treat her as a "threat" so much as they treat her as an individual who embodies most the things they don't like about the other side.

I know personally I perceive her as one of the prime examples of people who engage in rhetorical exercises designed to link left politicians to a fundamentally illegitimate form of government.
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That sounds reasonable.
 
One Brow said:
Because calling for capital punishment for someone Kanjorski thinks of as a felon is *exactly* like calling for a "second-amendment solution" if an election is lost legally.

I can certainly understand why an avowed opponent of capital punishment would equate these two statements. Of course, someone who supported capital punishment would look like a moron for saying these are the same thing.
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I was simply showing that the left and Dems make bombastic statements calling for people to be shot as well. You are way overthinking my post.
 
Millsapa said:
Why does the left treat sarah Palin like a threat if the conventional wisdom is that she wouldn't win?
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Why does the left treat Rush like a threat and he will never run, nor has ever run?

The left hates Limbaugh not because he is a conservative or for his conservative views. This is the greatest myth of why the left hates him. They hate Limbaugh because he turns the mirror back at the left and exposes the hypocrisy that exists between their ideology and their actual behavior. When he ties it all in with the drive by media and their complicit nature in the left's agenda you have 3 hours of kyrptonite a day. You can say what you want about Limbaugh but he knows their entire playbook, strategy, reactions, counter-reactions, etc. He is like your dad that knows all your tricks and all your BS you try to pull. He calls it on you. What is your reaction as a teenager? You hate him. You put that knowledge in a guy who can articulate the English language at a captivating pace and you got 25 million listeners a week. If he just spouted right wing crap, he is just Neal Boortz. He is not an economic or sociology expert, etc. What he is an expert on Liberals and Liberalism. He knows the enemy better than they know themselves and the left has no equivalent. None.

You can hate Limbaugh but I would bet big money his IQ is off the charts. He is every bit a genius at what he does as Jordan, Woods, Van Gogh, Steinbeck, Speilberg, etc.

Now, Palin is no genius but she is a threat because she shines the mirror back on liberalism. When it comes from an attractive woman that is the anti-poster of the NOW stereotype than that is lethal to the left's cause. That is why she will never run, she is too much of an asset as a lawn ornament.
 
i'm only being level 2 snippy here but can someone define "the left" for me as its being used in this thread? i have no clue who or what you people are specifically referring to
 
Sirkickyass said:
I think you're a little off here. I don't think they treat her as a "threat" so much as they treat her as an individual who embodies most the things they don't like about the other side.

I know personally I perceive her as one of the prime examples of people who engage in rhetorical exercises designed to link left politicians to a fundamentally illegitimate form of government.
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This is where the left goes wrong. If Palin embodies the worst of the other side, you should embrace the stupidity and ignorance. This incident emboldens her, it doesn't diminish her. The approach to her is simply leave her alone. The left fell right into the same playbook as always by trying to tie the shootings to her.

What happens and what is happening? The media rushes to judgement, Limbaugh calls them on it, plays clips, makes the left look like a bunch of reactionary political idiots and now Drudge runs the headlines he is running now.

Left loses again because they can't control their reactions and emotions. Mathews and the MSNBC crew are again scratching their heads wondering what the hell went wrong and now Limbaugh has a complete vault of info to go back to time and time again.
 
@ Pearl: So you're saying that the left doesn't see the hypocrisy, but the right does and realizes how hypocritical they are too? Im inferring that...just making sure what you're trying to say.
 
VINYLONE said:
@ Pearl: So you're saying that the left doesn't see the hypocrisy, but the right does and realizes how hypocritical they are too? Im inferring that...just making sure what you're trying to say.
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Both party's are too entrenched to see their own faults. It is human behavior. Of course there certainly enlightened Dems and Republicans that vote mostly on party lines that see the disconnect on certain positions. In my previous post I am analyzing from the left's view on Limbaugh. The left and media elite totally miss Limbaugh's strength. What does the average person who has never spent any time listening to Limbaugh think of him? They think he is a right wing nut job that rants, screams, and raves spewing right wing ideology. When you really listen and analyze intelligently, nothing is further from the truth. It is amazing how little right wing ideology he spouts. I would guess at least half of each show is dedicated to showing the stupidity of the other side.

This is why the left has failed to find an equivalent, because every attempt is to mimic what they think he does, now what he actually does.
 
Marcus said:
I was simply showing that the left and Dems make bombastic statements calling for people to be shot as well. You are way overthinking my post.
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Perhaps you were underthinking the nature of the complaint, looking at a surface of a surface, if you were equating calls for harsh treatment under the law to calls for going outside the law.
 
The Pearl said:
They hate Limbaugh because he turns the mirror back at the left and exposes the hypocrisy that exists between their ideology and their actual behavior.
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Funny, you say "Limbaugh", but it sure sounds like you meant to say "Buckley". At least, the sources I read concerning Limbaugh are much more concern with his reliance on untruths, simplistic thinking, and false characterizations. People dislike Limbaugh because he's Jon Stewart, except he expects to be taken seriously.
 
One Brow said:
I think it's wise to condemn all the right-wingers who claimed the shooter was a left-wing nut.
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Someone responded in a rep: "Circular thought."

I just meant to note that early in the weekend, it was the right-winger calling the shooter a leftist whacko. Everyone seemed to be focusing on the accusations flowing in one direction only.
 
One Brow said:
Funny, you say "Limbaugh", but it sure sounds like you meant to say "Buckley". At least, the sources I read concerning Limbaugh are much more concern with his reliance on untruths, simplistic thinking, and false characterizations. People dislike Limbaugh because he's Jon Stewart, except he expects to be taken seriously.
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The media takes him serious enough to blame him for murders...and make him a news topic every day.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Franklin: You're going down a rabbit hole.

What links do any of those things have to statements in Loughner's videos? The three things I picked aren't totally random. Watch his videos.

Or you can keep making the unfounded assumption that I'm ignorant, but there's a lot lower hanging fruit on this board if that's the kind of targeting game you want to play.
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What are you talking about? You've clearly detached from the train of thought somewhere along the line. Are you still married to the notion that the right has a monopoly on conspiracies, hard money, and constitutional interpretations, even though you're attempting to sweep the issue under the rug here?

Let me get this straight. You believe that Loughner holds opinions that are typical of right wingers, and as such, must have been influenced by right wing media. Correct me if this is not what you are implying.

I challenge your straw man that these are only right-wing ideas. I understand how you would think this way as you're sheltered by ideologically biased media. I've had a little wider exposure and have provided examples as proof that you're stereotype is fallacious. Calling this a rabbit hole is nothing more than an attempt to sidestep and backtrack your radical claim.
 
One Brow said:
Someone responded in a rep: "Circular thought."

I just meant to note that early in the weekend, it was the right-winger calling the shooter a leftist whacko. Everyone seemed to be focusing on the accusations flowing in one direction only.
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The right wing didn't call him a leftist whacko, his classmate did. The right used her characterization of him to combat the Palin accusations. Is she (his classmate) a right-winger? I don't know, could be.
 
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