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LazyD said:
If Baylor beats K State 59-0 are they in the title game?
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Probably not.

If tcu was playing k state and win 59-0 then I think they get in (cause they were ranked #3 going into the game instead of #6)
 
fishonjazz said:
Agreed.
Still it was a VERY successful season and at least the bowl is close, in a warm city, with lots of attractions and things to do.
And like ugli said, the bball team well be there at the same time so ute fans get a two for one.
It could be alot worse. (The last two years for example.)

If I were a ute fan I would definitely go to the game and be very excited about it.
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It's a lose lose situation though.

You beat CSU? Nobody cares. They're a MWC team.
You lose to them? Everyone cares. They're a MWC team.

And just as you did a few years back, they're going to play their hearts out to try to make a statement that they can compete with the big boys. And, as we found out, often the big boy from the PAC doesn't show up uber excited to play in Vegas against a MWC opponent.

I think Utah would have been better off losing another pac game and sliding into the spot that Wash currently has. They get to play Ok St.
 
The Thriller said:
It's a lose lose situation though.
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Maybe for the team (though I think a win is still good. It's still a bowl game win against a team with a good record and will move them up the rankings a little)

For the fans though it's a short, in a fun place, with warmer weather, and they can watch the bball team while they are there.

Pretty good time for the fans
 
fishonjazz said:
Maybe for the team (though I think a win is still good. It's still a bowl game win against a team with a good record and will move them up the rankings a little)

For the fans though it's a short, in a fun place, with warmer weather, and they can watch the bball team while they are there.

Pretty good time for the fans
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That's really the only silver lining for Utah. Win the game and they will most likely finish in the top 20 of the final playoff rankings. It's a great springboard heading into next year and I'm sure that's not lost on Whitt. I think the complaining is isolated to the fans. I could be wrong, but I don't see a scenario in which Utah looks like they don't want to be there.

Should they win and finish in the top 20, it will be interesting to see if they can parlay that into some recruiting success.
 
The Fort Worth Star Telegram mentions that Louisville and BYU were the 2 teams being considered for expansion before the Big 12 ulitimately decided to hold off. What is more interesting is the fact that they mention Florida State and Clemson showed interest in at least talking about a Big 12 move during that time and again, the Big 12 said "no thanks".

Now that they are in panic mode, will they call FSU and Clemson and beg them to engage in talks? It seems far fetched at first, but in a world in which Missou and A&M will bolt one power conference for another, there's recent precident to show that at the very least, it can happen.

Who knows how much validity there is to that speculation, but it doesn't sound like great news if you're a BYU fan. Utah got in to the PAC because Texas decided not to make the switch and the conference needed a team to add with Colorado. If BYU get's in, I expect the situation to be similar. You're going to need a few people to tell the Big 12 "no". BTW, there's no shame in that. It doesn't matter how/why you got invited to the party, as long as you're there.
 
jazzman12 said:
That's really the only silver lining for Utah. Win the game and they will most likely finish in the top 20 of the final playoff rankings. It's a great springboard heading into next year and I'm sure that's not lost on Whitt. I think the complaining is isolated to the fans. I could be wrong, but I don't see a scenario in which Utah looks like they don't want to be there.

Should they win and finish in the top 20, it will be interesting to see if they can parlay that into some recruiting success.
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Most of the players that they have made offers to but have yet to commit are in SoCal/Utah. I imagine at least a few of them will make it to Vegas. That's my silver lining.
 
jazzman12 said:
That's really the only silver lining for Utah. Win the game and they will most likely finish in the top 20 of the final playoff rankings. It's a great springboard heading into next year and I'm sure that's not lost on Whitt. I think the complaining is isolated to the fans. I could be wrong, but I don't see a scenario in which Utah looks like they don't want to be there.

Should they win and finish in the top 20, it will be interesting to see if they can parlay that into some recruiting success.
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The good news is, it should be an entertaining game and of course its in Vegas. So it's nearby and the bball team plays on that day too. The problem is, what does Utah gain by winning against a MWC opponent? All well
 
not much to gain and I doubt there will be a big audience outside of utes and rams fans but any bowl game is better than none and I do expect to win and hopefully add to a impressive pac-12 showing the bowl games this year.
 
jazzman12 said:
Stat of the day: The PAC is only 6-and-7 in Vegas Bowls against MWC opponents.
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Surprising at first glance.
Then I remember that usually the Vegas bowl features the best mwc team versus a lower end pac 10 team and it kind of makes sense
 
gregbroncs said:
Really the only thing surprising about this is that the MWC's best team is barely over .500 against the 5th or 6th best Pac-10/12 team.
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I look at it this way as well.

Not only can you see it in that bowl record, we've seen it play out pretty much that way since Utah joined the PAC. Utah and TCU were the two best programs from the MWC and the first few years in a P5 conference, they struggled to get up to par. I feel Utah is finally turning that corner and TCU is a little bit ahead of them. Obviously, TCU has a flat-out better team than Utah this year, but they were also helped by the Big 12 not being as deep as the PAC in 2014.

You'll have some exceptions (2004, 2008 Utes and a couple of the TCU squads), but normally, I think it's safe to say that the best MWC team is going to be the 5th, 6th, or 7th best PAC school in any given year.

I also think the 6-7 record is a product of the MWC schools being much more excited to be facing a PAC school in their bowl game. Even if Utah is "up" and "ready" for CSU, no way the Rams get their attention as much as a bigger school would.
 
Just leaked: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma state are moving to the PAC12(soon to be PAC16) starting next season. Poor zoobs LOL

Link
 
heyhey said:
Just leaked: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma state are moving to the PAC12(soon to be PAC16) starting next season. Poor zoobs LOL

Link
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Whoa
Poor me
 
jazzman12 said:
Stat of the day: The PAC is only 6-and-7 in Vegas Bowls against MWC opponents.
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Maybe I am underestimating them but I just don't think the MWC was that good this year. Fresno State looked awful against us and they finished 5-3 in conference. Boise State and Colorado State both failed the Air Force test that we had to face every year that we managed to win just about every time. Utah State went through how many different QB's and still cruised through many of their games. We'll see how they fare in their bowl games but I'm predicting they won't do very well, Boise getting bumped up to the Fiesta Bowl won't help their case even if it gives them some extra $$$.
 
prodigy said:
Maybe I am underestimating them but I just don't think the MWC was that good this year. Fresno State looked awful against us and they finished 5-3 in conference. Boise State and Colorado State both failed the Air Force test that we had to face every year that we managed to win just about every time. Utah State went through how many different QB's and still cruised through many of their games. We'll see how they fare in their bowl games but I'm predicting they won't do very well, Boise getting bumped up to the Fiesta Bowl won't help their case even if it gives them some extra $$$.
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I tend to agree with you. Looking through CSU's games, they don't look like world beaters by any stretch. Their best non-conference win was Boston College and defensively they had games where they gave up over 450 yards to Wyoming and 300 yards rushing to New Mexico.

I'm not going to buy an excuse such as "Utah didn't want to be there" should the Utes lose. Grayson is a dangerous QB and if Utah let's him get in a rhythm, they could be in trouble, but this CSU team is not comparable to some of the more talented Boise/TCU/Utah/BYU teams of MWC past.
 
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