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Following potential 2015 draftees

Does Oubre have defensive lockdown potential? He has that freakish height to wingspan ratio like Kawhi Leonard has. He is not near the rebounder Leonard is, but is ahead of him offensively at the same point.
 
orangello said:
Love me some Exum. It seems like expectations were very low to start the season. Then he shows some above average defense and a decent shooting percentage from outside and then suddenly everyone wants him to be dominant now.

I think we'll see a Rudy Gobert type rise from him next season. WHEN that happens all of us will be VERY happy.
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People mischaracterize or dramatize the people on here that are dissatisfied with Dante so far. Saying people expect him to be "dominant" is a perfect example.

The truth is Quin very much said, as recently as late last week, that he very much wants to see Dante let it go and that he would be complete fine with mistakes made in that pursuit. He specifically mentioned this from an offensive standpoint.

Most of the comments I see, here, in regards to dissatisfaction with Dante, have to do with the fact that Dante is massively passive and gets rid of the ball as fast as he gets it. I think most believe he has a great first step and at least can use that to collapse the D to help create opportunities for others, if he doesn't actually have the confidence to take it to the hole. But, no, he's made himself the "designated ball catcher then ball passer guy". Hard to keep him in games at that point and is scary from a mental aspect standpoint.

If you're someone that sees this, does that mean you're giving up on Dante? Nope. Its just acknowledging what's in front of your face.
 
PKM said:
Been saying that, on this board, for 3 years. The one two years from now, though ('17), projects to be awesome.. and we get GSW's pick! Yay!
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Thon maker draft?
 
I've given up on Exum for this year. I really don't expect to make any significant leaps in his game for the rest of the season. I don't think he will suddenly learn how to drive anytime soon. Next year though, when he is able to get some work in w/ P3, he should be a lot better. If he doesn't make a significant improvement in his driving ability next year though, I will be worried. And by significant improvement I mean actually trying to score going to the rim, not making the shots, just going in there and trying.
 
orangello said:
Love me some Exum. It seems like expectations were very low to start the season.
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All I remember hearing is how everyone was so excited that he fell to us because he should have been picked earlier due to how great he is...... he maybe even should have went #1 but other teams were dumb and passed on him....... he reminds people of kobe and penny hardaway.
 
Cy said:
I've given up on Exum for this year. I really don't expect to make any significant leaps in his game for the rest of the season. I don't think he will suddenly learn how to drive anytime soon. Next year though, when he is able to get some work in w/ P3, he should be a lot better. If he doesn't make a significant improvement in his driving ability next year though, I will be worried. And by significant improvement I mean actually trying to score going to the rim, not making the shots, just going in there and trying.
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I feel the same way.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Winslow is starting to cool off big time. I think he falls out of the top 10 unless he corrects it.

2pt Jumpers: 13.3%
3pt Jumpers: 34.5%
FT%: 56.9%
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I've been saying this for a long time. He's not a shooter. His % from 3 was a fluke, IMO. I predicted it would come down to earth cause his form simply isn't that good.
 
Honestly if Russell, Johnson, and Oubre are all off the board, I would look at Booker in the lottery. He is projected at #20 right now, but I think he ends up in the late lottery by the draft if he decides to enter.
 
Bodhi said:
People mischaracterize or dramatize the people on here that are dissatisfied with Dante so far. Saying people expect him to be "dominant" is a perfect example.

The truth is Quin very much said, as recently as late last week, that he very much wants to see Dante let it go and that he would be complete fine with mistakes made in that pursuit. He specifically mentioned this from an offensive standpoint.

Most of the comments I see, here, in regards to dissatisfaction with Dante, have to do with the fact that Dante is massively passive and gets rid of the ball as fast as he gets it. I think most believe he has a great first step and at least can use that to collapse the D to help create opportunities for others, if he doesn't actually have the confidence to take it to the hole. But, no, he's made himself the "designated ball catcher then ball passer guy". Hard to keep him in games at that point and is scary from a mental aspect standpoint.

If you're someone that sees this, does that mean you're giving up on Dante? Nope. Its just acknowledging what's in front of your face.
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It's very fair to assess how a player is playing at this current juncture of his career.


It only gets annoying when people extrapolate, and use a 19 year old's rookie season as justification for "GRRR Wee shoulda darfted ________ Exum iz bust"
 
dalamon said:
It's very fair to assess how a player is playing at this current juncture of his career.


It only gets annoying when people extrapolate, and use a 19 year old's rookie season as justification for "GRRR Wee shoulda darfted ________ Exum iz bust"
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It's not entirely a throw away year either. For a player to go and become a star after having such a poor rookie season would be an exception. The only PGs who were as bad as Dante who turned into stars are Kyle Lowry and Jeff Teague. Lowry is no longer with his original team, Teague is.
 
Jazz4ever said:
It's not entirely a throw away year either. For a player to go and become a star after having such a poor rookie season would be an exception. The only PGs who were as bad as Dante who turned into stars are Kyle Lowry and Jeff Teague. Lowry is no longer with his original team, Teague is.
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And yet, Dante is vastly different. He's 19, in a foreign country, playing a difficult position for a rookie on a team that's lacking a strong leader. I'm not trying to make excuses, but you have to realize these things.
 
Bodhi said:
People mischaracterize or dramatize the people on here that are dissatisfied with Dante so far. Saying people expect him to be "dominant" is a perfect example.

The truth is Quin very much said, as recently as late last week, that he very much wants to see Dante let it go and that he would be complete fine with mistakes made in that pursuit. He specifically mentioned this from an offensive standpoint.

Most of the comments I see, here, in regards to dissatisfaction with Dante, have to do with the fact that Dante is massively passive and gets rid of the ball as fast as he gets it. I think most believe he has a great first step and at least can use that to collapse the D to help create opportunities for others, if he doesn't actually have the confidence to take it to the hole. But, no, he's made himself the "designated ball catcher then ball passer guy". Hard to keep him in games at that point and is scary from a mental aspect standpoint.

If you're someone that sees this, does that mean you're giving up on Dante? Nope. Its just acknowledging what's in front of your face.
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You're right. Dominant was not the right word.

I will say that I have heard more people recently question if he will ever be good. Give him time, he'll come around.
 
Hantlers said:
And yet, Dante is vastly different. He's 19, in a foreign country, playing a difficult position for a rookie on a team that's lacking a strong leader. I'm not trying to make excuses, but you have to realize these things.
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Yep, all those things are real and each one make his potential climb a little more difficult.
 
dalamon said:
It's very fair to assess how a player is playing at this current juncture of his career.


It only gets annoying when people extrapolate, and use a 19 year old's rookie season as justification for "GRRR Wee shoulda darfted ________ Exum iz bust"
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Agree with all of this.
 
Some important information about Hezonja:

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/mario-hezonja-undecided-on-2015-nba-draft/

Mario Hezonja Undecided on 2015 NBA Draft

Forget about Croatia native and future Philadelphia 76er Dario Saric for a minute. Nineteen-year-old shooting guard Mario Hezonja is the next big thing from Croatia. If fact, as of now, he’s a big as it gets overseas.

Hezonja, ranked No. 2 overall in the class of international talent of 1995, is projected to be a lottery pick in the upcoming NBA Draft according to the industry leaders DraftExpress. If he were playing college basketball right now, which he had the option to do at Kentucky, Hezonja thinks no prospect would be regarded more highly.

“If I was in college I’d probably be the No. 1 pick,” Hezonja said to Basketball Insiders. “I had an offer from Kentucky. I’m European and I need to work harder to break into the U.S market.”

Hezonja averages eight points, shooting 44.8 percent from the perimeter, to go along with two rebounds and 1.3 assists in 16.7 minutes over 10 appearances in the Euroleague for Spanish power-club Barcelona.

Last night, though he was nonchalant in the first half, Hezonja stormed back in crunch time and came one basket short of completing an impressive double-digit comeback over reigning European champions, Maccabi Tel Aviv in Israel.

Trailing Maccabi by double-figures with under five minutes remaining in the contest, Spanish coach Xavi Pascual, hoping for a much needed sparks, inserted the young phenom into the game. It was Hezonja’s superb defense on December’s Euro-MVP Devin Smith on one end, and crucial plays at the other, that rallied back the Spanish.

Hezonja knocked down a jumper from the left-corner to cut Maccabi’s lead to 66-62 with a minute a change left. Then, with 25 seconds remaining, Hezonja intercepted a backcourt pass and raced to the end zone for a one-handed tomahawk dunk to bring Barcelona within 68-66.

With the game on the line and the clock running out, it was the Croatian cub — not newcomer Edwin Jackson, or former NBA draftees Alex Abrines and Thomas Satoransky — who took matters into his own hands. Hezonja called the former N.Y. Knicks bust Maciej Lampe, who set a screen, then rolled to the basket and received a brilliant pass from the Croatian kid. However, Lampe was met a the rim and Tel Aviv secured a crucial 68-66 W.

“My coach trusts me and I believe in myself,” Hezonja said. “I’m not scared at all of the last moments of the game, I want to win. The pick-and-roll was good but we lost, so I blame myself.”

Like his fellow countryman Saric, Hezonja is focused primarily on his development. He would have been selected in the first round of last year’s deep draft, and even though he’s ranked much higher in this year’s class, he’s still not even certain he will declare.

“I don’t know if I’ll enter the draft,” Hezonja said. “I might, but who knows what pick I’ll be? Before I go to the NBA I want to become a leader and win with Barcelona.”
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The last part suggests that he might not declare for this draft or if he declares he might be looking to stay in Barcelona for a season or two more...


Porzingis had a good game today: 18pts(8/12 FG), 7rbs, 2 stl, 1bl in just 19 minutes of play. Here's highlights of the game, there are two dunks by Porzingis in there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_P8wdqBxAM
 
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stitches said:
Some important information about Hezonja:

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/mario-hezonja-undecided-on-2015-nba-draft/



The last part suggests that he might not declare for this draft or if he declares he might be looking to stay in Barcelona for a season or two more...


Porzingis had a good game today: 18pts(8/12 FG), 7rbs, 2 stl, 1bl in just 19 minutes of play. Here's highlights of the game, there are two dunks by Porzingis in there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_P8wdqBxAM
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this kind of sucks but then again it is waaaaaaaay to early to be believing stuff like this.

jazz need to hire a Spanish type of announcer. scooooooooore!!!!

hezonja can come be the leader for the jazz
 
Crocodile Dante said:
this kind of sucks but then again it is waaaaaaaay to early to be believing stuff like this.

jazz need to hire a Spanish type of announcer. scooooooooore!!!!

hezonja can come be the leader for the jazz
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BTW, there were a couple of statement that went largely unnoticed by the jazzfanzers last week:

David Pick @IAmDPick · Jan 14

Ante Tomic said Barcelona "has a team-option for next season" and that "anything (Re: Europe/NBA) is possible."
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David Pick @IAmDPick · Jan 14

Asked Ante Tomic of his NBA aspirations: "I'd like to make the NBA, the window isn't closed."
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It's possible that Tomic is using the media to push Barcelona into exercising the option.

But Tomic + Hezonja with the Jazz?? Croatian colony after the Australians invaded Utah this season?

If the Jazz are looking to make a playoff push, we can use a skilled big coming off the bench(if we decide to not pursue Kanter).
 
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