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How can we win when we're playing 3 on 5?

Marty McFly

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Seriously. We have two starters who play like D-League scrubs 80% of the time. It's gotten to the point that Harpring/Boler gush praise all over AK if he can even manage to make a wide open layup. Or if Bell hits a wide open jumper. Pathetic.

It's too bad we couldn't have somehow acquired Richardson before Orlando.
 
This team just doesn't have the weapons. Earlier in the year, defense, gritty play, pride, and confidence dug out a few wins that the Jazz shouldn't have had. The D and those intangibles are slipping away and the team simply does not have the firepower to make up for it. For starters, it would be nice to be able to depend on anyone besides Deron to be halfway consistent with creating offense but that's just not the case.

I'm not advocating a return of Bozzer, but whenever he suited up, you knew what you were going to get every night and that allowed other people clarity of role and less pressure. Hopefully Jefferson's play the last two games is a sign of things to come.
 
I was about to say that Deron did not have a great night shooting-wise but then realized that he played despite the flu. It is sad that the other guys did not pick it up
 
Deron Williams is our Jesus. Yeah, he went 5-13, but he scored 20 points. That's ****ing elite. And 10 assists with 5 rebounds? With the flu and playing with two other teammates with everyone else totally MIA?

If the Jazz compete, I'm not that concerned about Deron leaving. If we keep getting performances like the last two, I can GUARANTEE you he leaves.
 
Looks like Big Al wasnt quite 100% either with a bruised butt. This was the perfect game for someone like Millsap to step up and have a big night and help us.
 
Seriously. We have two starters who play like D-League scrubs 80% of the time. It's gotten to the point that Harpring/Boler gush praise all over AK if he can even manage to make a wide open layup. Or if Bell hits a wide open jumper. Pathetic.

It's too bad we couldn't have somehow acquired Richardson before Orlando.

What about zero effort Paul Millsap?
 
AK and Millsap seem to alternate games where they care. Sadly, there are also games where neither seems to care.
 
Sap is still my favorite player on the team. But he's been dreadful the past few games. Frankly, if his play continues like it has been he should get his starting job yanked and let Memo come in and start.
 
Sap earns a credit with a good game, and then goes on to spend it the next 5.
 
Serious. If Okur goes back to full Okur (and I doubt it) we should put Al at the 4 -- his true position -- and Memo at the 5 to spread the floor.

Not saying this has a reaction to millsap having 2 bad games, we could bring Jefferson or Okur off the bench to success. I just think a Williams-MILES NOT SMELL- AK- Jefferson - Okur lineup would be better.
 
AK seemed particularly up for this one. Maybe he was trying to impress his future employers, the Nets. I saw an ESPN insider headline which says Pokhorov now wants Kirilenko on his team...

If we were to trade AK to NJ, I don't know if I would want anyone on that team. Sasha isn't a bad player but he was just traded to the Nets.

Maybe they'll sign him in the off season.
 
Sap earns a credit with a good game, and then goes on to spend it the next 5.


thats why he is a role player and thats why we laughed at all the homers who claimed that he could easily replace Boozer's productivity given the starting job
 
Serious. If Okur goes back to full Okur (and I doubt it) we should put Al at the 4 -- his true position -- and Memo at the 5 to spread the floor.

Not saying this has a reaction to millsap having 2 bad games, we could bring Jefferson or Okur off the bench to success. I just think a Williams-MILES NOT SMELL- AK- Jefferson - Okur lineup would be better.

If we are planning on having a 30 year old, seven footer, coming off an achilles injury to fix our issues, we should just throw in the towel now. AK, Sap, CJ. That's where a majority of the blame for the past few games goes. The guys who should always at least show up, every night, and they haven't. AK had a nice first half and then seemed to disappear.
 
AK, Sap, CJ are all classic role players at this point. They will have some nice stretches here and other, but if you count on them as a legit 3rd or 4th option they will let you down on certain nights. Unless the Jazz top brass give a damn about getting a legit 3rd option this problem will continue. And I am not sure if Okur will continue to improve enough to fill some of that void. That might be our best bet this season barring any trades. But zero rebounds in 16 mins from Memo tonight isnt promising at all.
 
This team just doesn't have the weapons. Earlier in the year, defense, gritty play, pride, and confidence dug out a few wins that the Jazz shouldn't have had.

Resorting to cliche, but hustle is a massive issue.

There's something microcosmic, predicative and pathetically typical about, for instance, what I saw out of Kirilenko tonight: on one hand great hustle on a night celebrating him and his fellow countrymen(?)/culture, yet even within that standard and stanza we're talking about one half of work. MIA come the second half.

That he seemed more interested than usual for a stretch is its own indictment. Wasting 17 million on a guy who needs a "special" reason to show up for a half every few games.

This team has too many role players. Role players that play like Robert Horry in the regular season: just coasting along. That works when you have multiple stars, other subs that know roles and fill them throughout the year, or simply when that same playter truly does make up for it with clutch play in the playoffs, often making up for not only his own play but even that of star teammates (see: Duncan, Tim in the 2005 Finals).

But the Jazz have none of these elements. Not only does it seem that Boozer's presence is missed, but Derek Fisher has been missed for the last three seasons.

I think that the Jefferson trade was a nice move, but his inability to read doubles and general weakside action is troubling, compounded by an interior game that, iso'd and read as internal skillset, is too often timid rather than intimi...well, you get the play on words. All as troubling as Sloan's inability to, or disinterest, in problem solving, either through lineup changes or, contradictorily, any type of consistency in skillset management: i.e. is Okur really more valuable than Fesenko? As valuable? How about Kirilenko versus Hayward?

Teams often take on the personality of specific players. The better teams are attuned to a strong star presence, but Utah has arguably been subverted for years by the tandem of Okur and Kirilenko. Never forget the fact that these two had booked passage out of town during a conference championship. Or that Deron was shot down when he made issue of this.

The schizophrenic soap opera that is both personification and, now, a half-season of play seems far closer to a projected mindset from a headcase like Kirilenko than Williams. I'd almost hazard that Kirilenko's dream of ridding the team of Boozer has paid off, in the form of a team that now is mentally weaker by way of an ongoing, quarter by quarter, identity crisis. The only separation from Kirilenko's personality is that their highs have been notably inspired and powerful, whereas Kirilenko's best moments are either quarantined to a distant past involving sub-.500 play or off the court antics such as free passes and crying jags.

Interesting to note who guides things in Utah, and why. vj's posts are, by analysis and recollection, pretty accurate: management cares little about a title. I'd extrapolate that they care only slightly more about product as positive production than a weasel like Sterling.

And that's only because they don't have the market benefits that he does.
 
It seems that Sap has just worn down. He works really hard, but trying to do that as a starter over 82 games is very difficult.

AK was very active during the game, but he killed us missing two layups in the last two minutes. I loved it when he missed a layup in the forth quarter and Harping said "the reason he missed that layup is that he didn't run hard all the way down the court". I also loved it in the second quarter when Deron drives, looks confused, and then turns around and shoots it. Harpring said "Obviously, "AK didn't run the right route on that play and Deron was forced to shoot it."
 
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