CONAN
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Very good. Here's another option besides the few I recommended.
Should Teacher Tenure Be Abolished?
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GoJazz
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I would be all for a tax break for parents of Students with over a 3.5 GPA. Make it like $1,000 tax credit on your state taxes. This should be enough to get a lot of students grades up. As for parents bugging teachers. This would give teachers an advantage. IE if you want your childs grade up he/she will need to do x + x + x otherwise he/she gets a D. Seems like a perfect plan to me. I will bring this up with my local rep.
CONAN
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Exactly.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
I'm sorry but how would this give teacher's an advantage? Sure, there would be much parental involvement which God knows I need at my school. But you don't think the number of parent's calling the school or Board of Ed complaining about their kid's grade just to get the tax break would be ridiculous and cause major problems?
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
How would you feel if that parent called your principal or the Board of Ed about you, saying you gave his/her kid a grade below what they deserved? And they went on and on about how it's BS, and on and on about you and your biases or something else that would grab someone's ear? And if said higher ups caved and changed the grade to appease said pain in the ***?
CONAN
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The only way higher ups cave is if they are going to get sued. As long as you are on the ball with your grading process you are fine. As always, only bad teachers live in fear.
Your argument is extreme and based on the presence of a huge amount of corruption, fear, and the like. And if that's the case you've got bigger fish to fry than rewarding parent involvement.
You are a teacher but I'm wondering if you have an idea of how principals and districts and boards deal with parent complaints. If that's not the case then sorry but you're preaching a lot of doom and gloom and worse-case scenario here and also acting like parents complaining is something new.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
LOL, in your experience.
CONAN
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Ya, I guess I live in some crazy fantasy teaching world, huh?
Stickler
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Pfff. Your evidence is anecdotal and therefore not germane to this thread, sir. You have done thousands of times less than 0.0000000001% of all teaching. You're working from far too limited a sample size in order to accurately comment on this topic.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Evidently.
CONAN
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I haven't said anything anectdotal but feel free to get defensive and claim that because I owned you earlier, Nancy. Whatever floats your boat.
How bout you geniuses go speak with district personnel/principals on this subject and ask them about policy? Not stories or experiences. I'm talking about written policy.
Also feel free to look up court cases in which teachers got sued over grades. Look into how districts handle that and what the teacher did.
How bout you guys do that instead of this whinefest sensationalism that nobody intelligent is going to buy?
Lemme know, Ladies.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Policy is great genius when the district and administrators stick to it. This is not me being worried about myself. This is me knowing how administrators oftentimes don't have the backbone to do what's right and stick to policy for fear of losing their own job or such. In other words, parents will complain, they'll break down and make an executive decision to raise the grade, and the parents would get the tax break which is all they were really worried about anyway. If you don't think parents will abuse the ability to do that, you're completely naive. And trust me, in my district, you can unfortunately take policy and throw it out the window so things like this would happen all the time.
We had an 8th grader (a big kid too, probably about 6'0", 200+ and I think gang affiliated) grab a female teacher and pull her across a desk. What happened? He didn't even get suspended for a day. Why? Because this is how my district and its administrators oftentimes handles things.
Obviously teachers could file a grievance in this case or if their grades are altered but oftentimes it leads to more trouble and harm than good. Ya know, unless you live in a Utopia.
Nancy???
Ladies???
Seriously Conan, what's this? You seem to be using these terms as an insult of some sort - and I'd like to know why you think this is insulting?
I'm really curious.
at any rate, here's a link to an article that discusses and evaluates the concept of "bribing" students for improved academic and/or behavioral objectives
https://www.publicschoolreview.com/articles/276
at any rate, it seems that where this is done, it's based upon objectives that are less dependent on a grade from a specific teacher, such as scores on achievement tests, attendance and tardiness, etc.
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CONAN
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Every parent sucks and every administrator is incompetent. I get it.
CONAN
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There are certainly many avenues to take here. Like students, parents are going to be motivated by different means. Find those means and use them. Again, as with students, the idea being to go from extrinsic to instrinsic motivation. A concept know as fading.
Sometimes you have to take baby steps. Sometimes you have to crawl before you can walk and then run. Achieving effective education isn't so black and white. There are many shades of grey you have to work through to get to the end goal.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
No, you obviously don't.
CONAN
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Yes I do. All too well. You think my idea sucks and have plenty of anectdotal evidence to back it up to go along with your blathering rants sprinkled with sensationalism and pessimism. You've done it before, you're doing it now, and good money says you'll do it again. You're transparent and repetitive.
Please prove me wrong.
Did someone say winefest and Ladies?