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Kanter traded to OKC

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Darkwing Duck said:
Well, it was used cap space already for the Jazz. This past offseason didn't have marquee free agents to get, so the Jazz used cap space that was already allotted to Novak to get an asset, as the Jazz were below the floor. Garrett was a replacement player, so there was no value there, thus no bearing on the quality of the deal.
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1. The floor is irrelevant.

2. Novak is still on the books next season.

There was no need to get to the floor, and no need for Novak. Why let him eat up nearly $4mm in 2015 cap space for a 2nd? It was a bad trade (FWIW, I thought so at the time).

Darkwing Duck said:
Jazz get the cap space at the beginning of the FA period rather than after the mythical renouncing. This is an important distinction especially if the Jazz ink an offer sheet to an RFA. Jazz would have to renounce Kanter to sign that deal, and if there's a match, then Jazz are out two players. Jazz got some assets out of this trade. A future first is a better trade chip, especially since it's after Durant's contract ends, than a sign and traded Kanter, and gives Jazz more flexibility.

The assets aren't that great in my opinion, but the historical price for trading into the top 5 should the Jazz not occupy a pick there is 3 first rounders, and the Jazz now have that affordability without being left without a pick in a year.

I doubt the Jazz will have to make a decision on having EITHER the Euro players OR an NBA free agent next year. Looks like the Jazz will go into the summer with around 45 M in salaries with 4 M in cap holds rather than 48 M with 16 M in cap holds, a 15 M difference. Caps going to be, what, 70 M next year? Plenty of space now rather than having to make a decision on Kanter first.
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Valid point on RFAs and offer sheets. Still, if the Jazz don't get an offer sheet signed, they could always keep Kanter. Also, since this Kanter mess has reportedly been brewing for a while, it makes sense to wonder what the Jazz could have acquired for Kanter earlier in the season or this past offseason. DL has a pretty consistent record of waiting to do anything until his hand is forced. Not a great sign.

Also, your numbers seem a bit off. I did a quick breakdown of the Jazz cap situation earlier in the thread.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Bad trade, IMO. We got nothing useful. Who cares about a 2nd rounder? And the OKC pick is highly-protected. The ONLY way this is a good deal is if someone wants that first in exchange for us moving up, which is doubtful. I guess a small victory was dumping Novak's corpse. That was a stupid move originally by DL. You commit to a $4M 2yr deal when you KNOW you'll be up against the cap next season? For only a 2nd-rounder? Stupid.

Once I learned what & where the picks where, my opinion really changed. But Utah did have to get rid of Enes. If it were me, I would have parked his sorry *** on the bench the rest of the season and taught him and Ergul a lesson. This was a dump, pure and simple. And I think Kanter blowing a kiss to the media last night sent the jazz into a panic. He was going to be a cancer the rest of the season and the Jazz got no value out of him.
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what is the protection on it?
 
GVC said:
Not for the Jazz. His contract runs through the 2015/16 season. The Jazz took on his nearly $4mm 2015/16 salary for a 2nd round pick.
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Oh, re-reading your post I see that statement was in defense of it being a bad move at the time. I agree with that. DL overpaid for 2nd round pick.
 
GVC said:
1. The floor is irrelevant.

2. Novak is still on the books next season.

There was no need to get to the floor, and no need for Novak. Why let him eat up nearly $4mm in 2015 cap space for a 2nd? It was a bad trade (FWIW, I thought so at the time).
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1. Exactly, so it was kept irrelevant with the bonus of acquiring a small asset.

2. 4 M by itself is inconsequential. Can add up with other stuff, and, as shown, was an easy move.

Valid point on RFAs and offer sheets. Still, if the Jazz don't get an offer sheet signed, they could always keep Kanter. Also, since this Kanter mess has reportedly been brewing for a while, it makes sense to question what the Jazz could have acquired for Kanter earlier in the season or this past offseason. DL has a pretty consistent record of waiting to do anything until his hand is forced. Not a great sign.

Also, your numbers seem a bit off. I did a quick breakdown of the Jazz cap situation earlier in the thread.[/QUOTE]

I'll take the FO at its word that it believed in Kanter. I do think keeping Kanter over what the trade ended up being value-wise is slightly better, but not amazingly so. I remember reading reports somewhere that the market for Kanter has always been tepid.

My numbers were quick summations of Sham and Hoopshype, since neither of them have the act together fully. You should link to your post since I'm not traversing 25 pages.

Here's what I got:

Hayward: 15.5
Favors: 12
Burks: 9.2
Exum: 3.777
Burke: 2.6
Hood: 1.3
Gobert 1.1

That's 45.5.

Add 5 for Booker if you want to keep it. Cap hold on Evans and Clark is 4.5.

Kanter's cap hold is 11.4.
Novak's salary was 3.75.

Cap expectation of 66.5.
 
I just noticed what the Bucks got back for Brandon Knight---MCW, Miles Plumlee and Tyler Ennis. We can debate how good these players are, but they're all first-round picks. I guess the Bucks took advantage of the Suns being in a pickle with Dragic.
 
Catchall said:
Jazz are tanking. The only other team that made a deal similar to Utah today was Philadelphia.
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I hope so.


- We'll be thin up front.

- We'll have cap space to go out and sign FA this Summer.

- DET and Kings should be out of the tank race.


This is a perfect storm for a FINAL TANK this year. Grab D'Angelo Russell and let's go shopping!!!!
 
Despite what many Jazz fans think about Kanter, he is the best player in the trade. Now it is better to get something instead of nothing this summer. However, DL didn't deliver on what he said he was looking to get for Kanter. Where is the young promising player? This trade doesn't knock my socks off. I hope the pick has limited protection. I wish the Euro prospect was younger with more potential to make it to the NBA.

The positive is Rudy is going to start now and he will be more likely to stay. For all the Jazz fans insinuating that Kanter was a cancer in the locker room, just stop.. No one knows if that was a factor so stop acting like you have to thrash him like the GF who broke up with you in high school.

Rudy, Favors and Booker are a fine rotation but I am still wondering where the offense is going to come from. If OKC doesn't re-sign Kanter than the deal doesn't look as good for them.

Overall I have mixed emotions, I wish Kanter well but I hope Rudy blocks ten of his shots when we play them. Rudy...Rudy..Rudy...
 
Austin Horton @austinhorton
Lindsey says Hayward's jump in progression has been more than team expected, perhaps makes losing Kanter's offense easier to swallow.

"Not every young player is always going to stick around. There will be choices that have to be made." Dennis Lindsey

"We don't want to be in a perpetual rebuild, & the Millers have fully authorized us to go up to the luxury tax." Dennis Lindsey

Dennis Lindsey: "There are Free Agents in this upcoming class who we like, and moving Steve's contract will allow us to be very active."

"The haul we got was a significant haul for somebody in the last year of his contract, and that's a credit to Enes' abilities." Lindsey

"Rudy's ability to cover the rim for us...factored in to some of our decisions...going forward." Dennis Lindsey

The $$ freed up by today's Kanter/Novak trade will allow Jazz to go after some "free agents we like in this market," per Dennis Lindsey
 
Catchall said:
Jazz are tanking. The only other team that made a deal similar to Utah today was Philadelphia.
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I don't think so, Catch. They're rebuilding and "not skipping steps" but they're not outright tanking - as was clearly the case last year.

I think the belief of the Jazz is that they have potential superstars in Gobert and Exum, and very, very nice players in Hayward and Favors. As such, they want to maximize the development of those players and see if they're truly destined to make the leap to stars, while keeping as much flexibility as possible so that when the developmental leap DOES happen, that they can bolster their roster with a strong supporting cast that can make a playoff run.

They weren't willing to pay Kanter what he wanted, thought he was impeding the development of Gobert and Favors, and didn't think that based on everything they'd seen that Enes had the same potential as Favors/Gobert.

Had we not done the deal, everyone who is currently complaining about what we got back would be pissed at the end of the season when we didn't match Kanter and got "nothing back."
 
This is a terrible trade for us. We recieved no player since were going to cut Perk. Also we made the team who's pick were recieving much better, and they are all ready of of the best teams in the league. So for a 22yr old 15,8 player who was drafted #3 we get a 25-30 pick in two years?

Heres the judging factor; are we better or worse after this trade? We are worse. All the experts are saying OKC made out the best BECAUSE of Kanter! How would it be any different if we held Kanter for a sign and trade at the end of the year?

This is the worst trade I have witnessed for our team I have seen in my 12yrs as a Jazz fan. I HATE THIS TRADE!
 
Flc said:
I don't think so, Catch. They're rebuilding and "not skipping steps" but they're not outright tanking - as was clearly the case last year.

I think the belief of the Jazz is that they have potential superstars in Gobert and Exum, and very, very nice players in Hayward and Favors. As such, they want to maximize the development of those players and see if they're truly destined to make the leap to stars, while keeping as much flexibility as possible so that when the developmental leap DOES happen, that they can bolster their roster with a strong supporting cast that can make a playoff run.

They weren't willing to pay Kanter what he wanted, thought he was impeding the development of Gobert and Favors, and didn't think that based on everything they'd seen that Enes had the same potential as Favors/Gobert.

Had we not done the deal, everyone who is currently complaining about what we got back would be pissed at the end of the season when we didn't match Kanter and got "nothing back."
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Not getting D'Angelo Russel or Emmanuel Mudiay in this draft I think would be "skipping steps".
 
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