Max Out Matthews?

[Stifle Tower]

Stretch 4? That guy still has to play behind Favors/Gobert.

The wing is the position we need to upgrade. Burks can be a 6th man.

Agree. I think Booker is a great fit behind Favors. This is his first year shooting 3's and behind the back one-tappers and he's looked pretty good. I think we really need a backup 5 to get minutes behind Gobert. I want to see Favors get all his minutes at PF, where he prefers.

 

[Jazz4ever]

You are completely missing the point......


1.) Who else can we sign this year?
2) Who else can we sign next year?
3) The 3rd year the cap will be huge and Matthews max (or near max) will no longer be a max contract and won't be that big of % of the cap

For one, I just don't think he's that good. But I also don't like maxes because of the incremental raises and they can't be front loaded. Hayward and Gobert will both get huge raises in 2017/18. With Favors probably wanting double the money the following year. I'd rather give Middleton a big front loaded contract. He is 5 years younger and plays SF, a position of bigger need imo.

 

[fishonjazz]

fixed

Unfortunately, ya you are right.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I agree........ even on the inclusion of burks

Gotta keep trying to get that elusive superstar. (hopefully we already have it on our team right now, but i dont think we do)

I don't think San Antonio has anyone playing at superstar level anymore. Look at their stats last year in the regular season. Parker led the way averaging 16.7 with Duncan at 15. Hayward and probably Favors both average more than 16.7 next season. SA beat Miami not on the backs of superstars, but because they had zero weaknesses to exploit and had 5 players on the court at all times who could shoot the ball. Obviously we need a lot of development from Gobert and Exum, but we're headed in that direction.

Not saying we don't try to go after Russell, but if we can't land him it's not the end of the world.

BTW, tell me who is a true superstar on Atlanta? They had 4 players named to the all-star team (some as replacements), but not one of those players is a superstar.

 

[fishonjazz]

Favors, Gobert and Hayward will all come up for new contracts. As has been mentioned, $14-$15M won't be max money after 2016. You can conceivably pay Hayward and Gobert $20M each, Favors $18, Matthews $14 and Burks $10M and still be WELL BELOW the luxury tax line of $100M+ adding in other veterans and draft picks to fill out the roster. Exum comes up for a raise just as contracts are set to expire. If he busts out and earns the max, then Jazz deal the contract of Burks or Matthews if they're set to exceed the luxury tax limit. If we were contending at that point, I have a feeling Greg would be willing to exceed it for a year if contracts overlap.

We're also assuming Hayward stays. I hope he does. But we need to give him a reason. Read his blog; he spoke very highly of Gobert. So I'm optimistic. But he also talked about the correlation of being on a winning team and receiving all-star consideration. I think the clock is ticking. Winning needs to start happening next year and the year after.

Like i said.....it aint my money. If they can max matthews and still retain all the other vauluable pieces then ya, go for it. I dont have your crystal ball telling me exactly how much the cap will be and exactly how much each and every player on the jazz will command.

But do you agree with the principle that it that is not typically a good idea to "max" the 4th or 5th best player on your team?

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think San Antonio has anyone playing at superstar level anymore. Look at their stats last year in the regular season. Parker led the way averaging 16.7 with Duncan at 15. Hayward and probably Favors both average more than 16.7 next season. SA beat Miami not on the backs of superstars, but because they had zero weaknesses to exploit and had 5 players on the court at all times who could shoot the ball. Obviously we need a lot of development from Gobert and Exum, but we're headed in that direction.

Not saying we don't try to go after Russell, but if we can't land him it's not the end of the world.

BTW, tell me who is a true superstar on Atlanta? They had 4 players named to the all-star team (some as replacements), but not one of those players is a superstar.

I would say that atlanta is the exception not the rule...... also i think they have no chance at winning the title this year. (i know all about thier record and how well they have faired against the west, but i still think they have no chance)

San antonio is loaded with hall of famers.

 

[The Midnight]

Depends who we get in the draft...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We do not need to include Burke, Hood and Burks. Maybe it is just me but it kind of sounds like you will give them all to get a top 3.

Jazz have all their own first rounders, the GS 2017 1st, OKC future 1st, multiple 2nd rounders, Millsap, Booker and 3-4 foreign player rights.

Personally I'd offer up to two of Burke, Burks and Hood. I'd rather keep Hood and Burks at this point if they can.

But I agree that they Jazz need to make a legit run at trading for a top 2 pick to land Russell if they don't get lucky.

Ideally we'd keep one of those guys, but I think we go all in on Russell. We could add our 1st rounder next year as well... it would suck to give up 3 additional first rounders to move up 5 spots or so, but it is hard to move from the second tier players to the first tier players in the draft. My starting point would be Burke, Hood, and the GSW/OKC picks. A team like LA might consider it... they need everything. I could see Minny considering it as well, but it would have to be Burks probably. Anytime the coach is the GM they do stupid stuff.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would say that atlanta is the exception not the rule...... also i think they have no chance at winning the title this year. (i know all about thier record and how well they have faired against the west, but i still think they have no chance)

San antonio is loaded with hall of famers.

Will be fascinating to watch Atlanta in the playoffs... i think people are sleeping on them. Memphis is built similarly... You don't need a super duper star to win anymore. Who is to say that Gobert isn't a super duper star on defense. I really like what we are building.

 

[Stoked]

Ideally we'd keep one of those guys, but I think we go all in on Russell. We could add our 1st rounder next year as well... it would suck to give up 3 additional first rounders to move up 5 spots or so, but it is hard to move from the second tier players to the first tier players in the draft. My starting point would be Burke, Hood, and the GSW/OKC picks. A team like LA might consider it... they need everything. I could see Minny considering it as well, but it would have to be Burks probably. Anytime the coach is the GM they do stupid stuff.

I do not think you can go two years without a first. The jazz would have to stagger them out.

I'd really try to keep Burks or hood. But the GS 1st, Jazz 2015 1st, Burke, Burks/Hood and a 2nd rounder is s damn good haul. I really do see that as a very solid offer to a team like the Lakers and Sixers.

 

[fishonjazz]

Will be fascinating to watch Atlanta in the playoffs... i think people are sleeping on them. Memphis is built similarly... You don't need a super duper star to win anymore.

You are probably right

Who is to say that Gobert isn't a super duper star on defense. I really like what we are building.

I agree 100%
I would hate to **** up what we are building by signing the 4th best player on our team to a max deal

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Depends who we get in the draft...

Why?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I do not think you can go two years without a first. The jazz would have to stagger them out.

I'd really try to keep Burks or hood. But the GS 1st, Jazz 2015 1st, Burke, Burks/Hood and a 2nd rounder is s damn good haul. I really do see that as a very solid offer to a team like the Lakers and Sixers.

The Sixers too I guess... those ******** love picks... give them all of our second rounders and I think they would corner the market. They could own every euro prospect... like all of them.

We could trade our pick this year and next to move up and still be cool with the CBA... We would be exercising a pick so it works. 2017 is supposed to be the good draft anyway.

 

[Harambe]

Should we do it?

What else are we going to spend our money on?

Does it affect our ability to keep any of our core?

Max is a bit much for that guy. 8-10 tops.

 

[b_line]

I think the highest max is available to players who have been in the league 7 years, and Matthews is in his 6th year now. If I'm right on the 7 year thing that would be even more of an incentive for Matthews to sign a short contract this summer.

that sounds right.

 

[franklin]

I would say that atlanta is the exception not the rule...... also i think they have no chance at winning the title this year. (i know all about thier record and how well they have faired against the west, but i still think they have no chance)

This.

San antonio is loaded with hall of famers.

And that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Max is a bit much for that guy. 8-10 tops.

Lol, he is worth wayyyy more than that. Have you watched basketball in the last 3 years? 3pt shooting is extremely important and so is defense, he is top 10 among perimeter players in both things. He is at least worth 13 million, I'd pay like 15.

 

[fishonjazz]

If we cant get wes matthews or one of the other top free agents then at least we can get this:

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In a new creation called the Bacon Wrapped Crust Deep! Deep! Dish Pizza, the chain restaurant has wrapped 3 1/2 feet of bacon around the sides of a deep-dish pizza with pepperoni and bacon bits sprinkled on top. It costs $12 and is the replacement for the Soft Prezel Crust Pizza.


The Bacon Wrapped Crust Deep! Deep! Dish Pizza will be available starting February 23 through April.

 

[stitches]

I think the highest max is available to players who have been in the league 7 years, and Matthews is in his 6th year now. If I'm right on the 7 year thing that would be even more of an incentive for Matthews to sign a short contract this summer.

Yep, that's right. 7-9 year veterans get 30% max, 1-6 year ones get 25%. But I don't agree that Matthews has an incentive to sign a short time contract. Only players that think they can get 30% max have to worry about that. I don't think Matthews is one of those players. I think if he gets anywhere near current 4year x 25% max, he'd take it and be ecstatic with it. The current 4 year max for him will be 70M. I don't think he's getting more than that when the cap space escalates.

I don't know if max is the best option. But 12-14 might be a good offer...

 

[Hotdog]

I like the idea of going after Mathews. He's a damn good player.


But I think we first have to swing for the fences with Butler, Draymond, or Leonard. I know people think it's impossible, but it's still worth a try.

If nothing else, then we force one of these teams to pay the max when they might not want to.

Then we target Mathews or Danny Green.