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candrew said:
Full rebuild for SAS doesn't necessarily mean not matching Leonard - it more than likely means letting Duncan and Ginobli retire and then dumping Diaw - that's 25+ mil right there..
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This... there is no way they don't match... dude sounds like he'll be a spur for life.
 
Siro said:
I'm not going to go through the thread, but has anyone explained why they think the Spurs will match Leonard? They're losing their stars, and pop is likely gone. It would make sense that they'll go full rebuild. If that is the case, would Leonard be interested in joining the Jazz? Or is he more likely to go to a contender?
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Word is, they would have maxed him this year, but they are going to try to sign Gasol this offseason to replace Duncan. In order to do this, they will need free cash. Then, they will either max Leonard or work something out. It's a wink, wink type of thing and Leonard is on board with it.
 
It's amusing how we've all gone from Hayward at $12mm no way in hell to sure hell yeah make it happen for Kawhi at even more $$$. They're pretty similar in value with Hayward probably worth a few more bucks (both then and now). Funny how a few months can change perceptions.
 
franklin said:
It's amusing how we've all gone from Hayward at $12mm no way in hell to sure hell yeah make it happen for Kawhi at even more $$$. They're pretty similar in value with Hayward probably worth a few more bucks (both then and now). Funny how a few months can change perceptions.
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I think a part of it is knowing that the salary cap is going up. We didn't know that during Hayward's negotiations.
 
The real test will be during Hayward's next extension. I think a lot of the same people will come out of the woodwork!
 
franklin said:
It's amusing how we've all gone from Hayward at $12mm no way in hell to sure hell yeah make it happen for Kawhi at even more $$$. They're pretty similar in value with Hayward probably worth a few more bucks (both then and now). Funny how a few months can change perceptions.
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Is it amazing? I'd expect more information to change people's perspectives.
 
infection said:
This is silly. Who cares what Kanter and his agent said? We set a precedent where we show everyone that they don't wear the pants. We're not taking less value back for you just because you want to be a whiny bitch. Be a whiny bitch all you want, but by damn you're still our bitch and you don't move until we say so, so STFU.
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Look, it was a difficult situation where none of our options were very good. Utah could have held on to him and hoped to get better value in the offseason, but it really wasn't likely to improve. Before we start declaring this a major failure, what say we wait and see what happens with Enes. I'm guessing he will be unhappy in OKC and he'll either take the QO or he'll get a ridiculous offer. Once this all plays out, Jazz fans may be counting their blessings that we got some value, rather than continuing to play Enes ahead of Rudy only to be faced with matching a stupid offer. At the very least, we should all be glad that Rudy is no longer getting hosed out of the starting spot he deserves. He's the guy we want to keep happy.
 
freakazoid said:
Look, it was a difficult situation where none of our options were very good. Utah could have held on to him and hoped to get better value in the offseason, but it really wasn't likely to improve. Before we start declaring this a major failure, what say we wait and see what happens with Enes. I'm guessing he will be unhappy in OKC and he'll either take the QO or he'll get a ridiculous offer. Once this all plays out, Jazz fans may be counting their blessings that we got some value, rather than continuing to play Enes ahead of Rudy only to be faced with matching a stupid offer. At the very least, we should all be glad that Rudy is no longer getting hosed out of the starting spot he deserves. He's the guy we want to keep happy.
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But what about the tank?
 
Hack said:
But what about the tank?
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Utah could have traded for a player that helps us win now, and they didn't go that route. To me, that speaks for itself. Rudy is likely to **** up the tank, but we're still in it for now. For those posters who scoff at the importance of draft picks, our next pick just became even more crucial to the rebuild, now that we no longer have Enes as a potential trade chip.
 
Siro said:
I'm not going to go through the thread, but has anyone explained why they think the Spurs will match Leonard? They're losing their stars, and pop is likely gone. It would make sense that they'll go full rebuild. If that is the case, would Leonard be interested in joining the Jazz? Or is he more likely to go to a contender?
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I think full rebuild for San antonio means them signing lamarcus Aldridge or Marc gasol to play with parker and kawhi. The Spurs are t going anywhere.
 
Last summer I was called crazy for wanting to max Matthews out this summer.

I would max out Matthews because of the cap situation. I would love to overpay Matthews and DeMare Carroll. Look at this team:

Exum/Burke
Matthews/Burks
Hayward/DeMare/Hood
Favors/Booker
Gobert/(our pick here: Towns, Okafor, Looney)

That team would compete for the playoffs next year and a title in 3-4 years.

I'm all for maxing out Wes.
 
fishonjazz said:
It sucks not being a free agent destination
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I like this myth. Can you show me when the Jazz had a lot of cap space, and they had trouble finding free agents to sign here? I'd be very interested to see your proof.

Every time Utah has had cap space, they have had very good free agents sign with them. They were burned a couple times by RFA, but the players still signed here. They also were able to get some very good free agents here as well.

So, please, show me a time when Utah had gobs of cap space and walked away with terrible players, or were spurned by free agents.

It's just not true.
 
gomretat said:
I doubt we spend anywhere close to max money on a SG. DL is very comfortable with AB and Hood to go with GH. And Wes is not a max player. Look for a stretch 4 or else a run at a real big name. He might even work on bringing Korver and Sap back to play for Quinn
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You do realize that if you bring in a player like Matthews, and give yourself three players who can hit the three, you don't need a stretch 4 anymore? You need five players who can defend. Two players who can take people off the dribble. Three players who can hit threes. Two players who can play in the post.

If you get your three players who can hit threes from your 1, 2, and 3 position, you don't need a stretch 4 anymore. Especially if Favors can hit that 15 ft jump shot. You have all the spacing you need. Toss in that your one guy clogging the middle is a guy that is just bigger, who you can throw the ball up to for an alley oop?

Wes Matthews makes a stretch 4 less of a need.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Favors, Gobert and Hayward will all come up for new contracts. As has been mentioned, $14-$15M won't be max money after 2016. You can conceivably pay Hayward and Gobert $20M each, Favors $18, Matthews $14 and Burks $10M and still be WELL BELOW the luxury tax line of $100M+ adding in other veterans and draft picks to fill out the roster. Exum comes up for a raise just as contracts are set to expire. If he busts out and earns the max, then Jazz deal the contract of Burks or Matthews if they're set to exceed the luxury tax limit. If we were contending at that point, I have a feeling Greg would be willing to exceed it for a year if contracts overlap.

We're also assuming Hayward stays. I hope he does. But we need to give him a reason. Read his blog; he spoke very highly of Gobert. So I'm optimistic. But he also talked about the correlation of being on a winning team and receiving all-star consideration. I think the clock is ticking. Winning needs to start happening next year and the year after.
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We make the playoffs next year.
 
green said:
I like this myth. Can you show me when the Jazz had a lot of cap space, and they had trouble finding free agents to sign here? I'd be very interested to see your proof.

Every time Utah has had cap space, they have had very good free agents sign with them. They were burned a couple times by RFA, but the players still signed here. They also were able to get some very good free agents here as well.

So, please, show me a time when Utah had gobs of cap space and walked away with terrible players, or were spurned by free agents.

It's just not true.
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Show me some superstars that have came to utah via free agency.
Not boozer and players like him.
I'm talking superstars
 
fishonjazz said:
Show me some superstars that have came to utah via free agency.
Not boozer and players like him.
I'm talking superstars
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Most cities DON'T have superstars come to them via free agency. Also think we need to define "superstar" vs. just very good all-star.
 
fishonjazz said:
Show me some superstars that have came to utah via free agency.
Not boozer and players like him.
I'm talking superstars
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That's a silly litmus test. There are very few superstars in the league, and most of them very rarely change teams. That's without taking a serious look into whether we've been in a financial and competitive situation that permits such pursuit. You can parctically make the argument that 80% of the league is not FA destination if we use your criteria.
 
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