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https://www.deseret.com/sports/2024...anen-growing-skills-as-jazz-continue-rebuild/

If Lauri was playing the game he has been playing for years before coming here, he would likely be playing better, but he's trying to develop along with everyone else, which means trying new stuff that he isn't good at. as long as he combines everything together in a couple years, he might be even more devastating than he was before. (and you tank folk will like the losing along the way.
 
Exactly what? All he is doing is standing around and chucking no-hope threes.
Exactly.
When he was playing like an all star he wasn't doing that.
 
https://www.deseret.com/sports/2024...anen-growing-skills-as-jazz-continue-rebuild/

If Lauri was playing the game he has been playing for years before coming here, he would likely be playing better, but he's trying to develop along with everyone else, which means trying new stuff that he isn't good at. as long as he combines everything together in a couple years, he might be even more devastating than he was before. (and you tank folk will like the losing along the way.
Eh, you are just repeating the Jazz PR they put up following the somewhat disappointing performance by Lauri this year. When the star players are trying to expands their offensive bag they are usually doing what they have been doing before plus adding some new stuff: their FG% may go down a bit but they are the same star player. Lauri is simply shooting a lot less and rebounding a lot less and getting involved offensively much less at the end of the close games. What do you think he is practicing, staying away from the ball and avoiding the action?

It's much easier to understand what is happening to him by looking back on his career: Markkanen has always been an inconsistent player, capable of putting together several months of good play but unable to maintain it year after year. He got the bag as a player who unexpectedly put together in the middle of his career 4 months of amazing play (in 2022-23). He never played that well before, he never played that well since. When a player gets paid well for one season in his mid-20s he usually regresses back right after and that what Lauri did.

I mean, don't get me wrong, Markkanen is a very good player: he is roughly in the same range as Collins. Lauri is capable of very elite bursts but simply cannot get enough motivation and skill to maintain that level year after year. Unfortunately, Lauri got overpaid and that will constrain what the Jazz can do going forward. In the ideal world having someone like John Collins as your 3rd option for 26 million is way better than having Markkanen for for 46 but it is not the end of the world.
 
I just had some of Lauri's highschool classmates at my house last night. I asked what he was like, they said tall, very tall.

On a side note for the Finnish friends here a band came that you might know Roope Salminen & Koirat. Anyone know them?
 
I just had some of Lauri's highschool classmates at my house last night. I asked what he was like, they said tall, very tall.

On a side note for the Finnish friends here a band came that you might know Roope Salminen & Koirat. Anyone know them?

Yeah, it's a party music kinda rap. Not really my cup of tea, but Lauri likes them.
 
With Lauri likely out for the season, it might be a good time to revisit this thread.

Lauri ended up playing 47 games, He averaged 31.4min/game (-3min from all star year), 19 pts/game (-6.6pts from all star year), 5.9reb/game (-2.7reb from all star year), 42/35/88 (50/39/88 in all star year). OBPM 1.8 DBPM -2.0 BPM -0.2 (4.9,-1.0, 3.8 in all star year).
 
Another injured forward, Lauri Markkanen, returned to Salt Lake City on Monday to undergo an MRI on his left knee. According to the club, that MRI revealed patellofemoral chondrosis with associated subchondral edema, but no other structural damage. Markkanen, out since March 17, will complete an off-court rehab program and will be reevaluated in seven-to-10 days.
 
Id say it's probable that Lauri peaked already. I'd also say it's probable he'll better than this season. The biggest key is now for him to fix his three point shot to be more consistent again. The other things will follow when he gets into environment where he's not treated like #1 option by opposing teams. He's not that guy, he's off ball player that needs a dominant on ball threat
 
Id say it's probable that Lauri peaked already. I'd also say it's probable he'll better than this season. The biggest key is now for him to fix his three point shot to be more consistent again. The other things will follow when he gets into environment where he's not treated like #1 option by opposing teams. He's not that guy, he's off ball player that needs a dominant on ball threat
Good post
 
Wouldnt take anything away from a season where his main goal was to not suffer real injuries while suffering from fake injuries all season.

He didnt dunk over anyone... sure. Doesnt mean he couldnt.
IDK what to believe. He looked stiff at times. His shot selection was rough too... but I chalk that up to the tank. Wasn't like we were trying to maximize him.

I'm not sure what happens with him this offseason but I would guess his trade value has taken a significant hit. If there are no plans to move him then no big deal. Depending on where we land in the draft and what smoke there is about tanking next year I'm not sure subjecting Lauri and his trade value to another year of this is wise. 2.5 years of a 10-15 year career spent in the tank is really rough when you figure that's like half or a third of most guy"s "prime". I could see Lauri see the ping pong balls go wrong and telling the FO he's ready for a change (or it could be the other way around).

Really would be too bad because I like the guy and he seems to really love it here.
 
IDK what to believe. He looked stiff at times. His shot selection was rough too... but I chalk that up to the tank. Wasn't like we were trying to maximize him.

I'm not sure what happens with him this offseason but I would guess his trade value has taken a significant hit. If there are no plans to move him then no big deal. Depending on where we land in the draft and what smoke there is about tanking next year I'm not sure subjecting Lauri and his trade value to another year of this is wise. 2.5 years of a 10-15 year career spent in the tank is really rough when you figure that's like half or a third of most guy"s "prime". I could see Lauri see the ping pong balls go wrong and telling the FO he's ready for a change (or it could be the other way around).

Really would be too bad because I like the guy and he seems to really love it here.

It's very hard for me to imagine that Lauri is ok with a two year tank, and if he is, I'm not sure what that says about him?
 
It has to be added we saw few VERY short, small flashes on 2025 he still can be a force, but when he had few better games, that's when he was DNP'd for several games. His best games was on latter part of this season, when Collier ran the floor.

I have been thinking Jazz isn't really considering him to be on the market earlier than 2026-2027, which is why they didn't care about if his market value takes a hit. Why would they put him in iffy looks if they really was thinking this is the summer they'll expect offers? It wasn't something they probably was banking on at all. Yeah, speculative ****, but it's a boring times so it's all I got.

I think Jazz calculates the risk of his value going down is worth it, in case Jazz lands the clear #1 option, as they already know how well he played next to Conley, and 2022-23 Jordan Clarkson, whose dominant games were a bit looked down honestly. It was a really good season for JC in the offensive end and it allowed Lauri to be on his best. The league hadn't yet catched up on how mean threat he can be if they wont draw better defensive plans on him.

And why the risk of Lauri's value temporarily going down a bit might be worth it? There's few reasons: Jazz is in the middle of the rebuild, and at the time they can start winning more, Lauri has maybe two seasons left on his contract,three, if Jazz surprisingly is good on 26-27 already. At that point, his salary compared to the growing salary cap will be a less of a trouble to teams looking for the "final piece", maybe the luxyry #3 option or #2 option, in case if Lauri bounces back closer to his All star level.

Lauri's last season of contract is also only 22% of the cap which is pretty decent for a third option type of 7ft finisher. If Jazz has got their blooming rookie in style of Flagg, Lauri probably stays,and if not, they are going to probably look for the best possible deal.

I see it this way: next season Jazz needs to desert "let's try shots Lauri never have taken in his life", and when he plays, we draw the sets that makes him look good. As we see, Jazz can then just sit down whoever tf they want for the sake of tanking. 100K fine? Let me laugh... We can build up his value and still lose, if needed.

They can get more out of Lauri and still tank. I'd trade few offensive guards/wings away that only scores and has zero defense, and give those fga's to Lauri, and rookie contract players, whose value and growth must be the absolute no1 thing for Jazz.
 
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The older Ainge gets, the more he wants to extort from other GM's. Its the biggest risk in this whole rebuild.
And if @Handlogten's Heros ’ theory is correct and Ainge is an opportunist, there are costs to not having a plan. I live my life in this way which definitely has its benefits, until you realize something you wanted to do required lead-time that you pissed away dreaming of all the different possibilities with your flexibility.
 
Ainge overplayed his hand with Lauri. Should’ve probably done the GSW trade (Kuminga, Moody, probably two 1st and two swaps) or the OKC trade (Dort, three picks).
In hindsight extorting the Kings may have been the best route... getting their picks and swaps. I don't think OKC was on the table. Maybe GS of course.
 
And if @Handlogten's Heros ’ theory is correct and Ainge is an opportunist, there are costs to not having a plan. I live my life in this way which definitely has its benefits, until you realize something you wanted to do required lead-time that you pissed away dreaming of all the different possibilities with your flexibility.
So I think the idea was maybe one of the young fellas pops and shows out... you still tank hard... then you have whoever you draft, the young breakout guy, the AS in his prime in Lauri and can maneuver from there with picks. I don't know how big the trade cost is right now... may not be much if they didn't like the GS offer. I don't think no plan is what Ainge has... I think he has a general direction and then follows opportunities... which as you mentioned... is good and bad at times.
 
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