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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Why? I mean we better be bad enough for a top 5 pick next year anyways. That would feel like just giving away a pic for free.
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It will be hard to be bad if we have Cooper. @Elizah Huge and I are gonna have a good portion of a pod discussing it, but Coop won't be the typical rookie that kills your ability to win. All the young guys should improve and some may improve a lot. Managing Lauri and Walker like we have is a bit untenable. You will need to move Collins and Sexton which sounds easy but would have thought we could do it at the trade deadline if it was really easy.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It will be hard to be bad if we have Cooper. @Elizah Huge and I are gonna have a good portion of a pod discussing it, but Coop won't be the typical rookie that kills your ability to win. All the young guys should improve and some may improve a lot. Managing Lauri and Walker like we have is a bit untenable. You will need to move Collins and Sexton which sounds easy but would have thought we could do it at the trade deadline if it was really easy.
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To add to that, it will be harder to move them now than at the deadline if Danny isn’t willing to have some humility that he didn’t have. They were perfect deadline additions.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If we landed #1 I would consider it. If not we are full tank ahead. Might be full tank ahead either way but if the offers for the vets suck I can see us hanging around the 8-12 range and not being able to pull the plug hard enough to get where we need to if we have Cooper.
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No. However, depending on how things are shaking out next year, I’d consider doing a deal with them if it looks like either Minnesota or Cleveland are set to end up below us (likely only in the case of a serious injury to a key guy on either team.) In which case, that pick is way more valuable to us than it is to them.
 
NUMBERICA said:
To add to that, it will be harder to move them now than at the deadline if Danny isn’t willing to have some humility that he didn’t have. They were perfect deadline additions.
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I think in some ways its easier because of roster spot restrictions and cap stuff being a little more flexible. Not sure the return is all that great and we will almost certainly "lose the trade". I can hear Bill Simmons now "House are you telling me all you could get for Collin Sexton is two seconds? I mean that guy gets you 20-25 pts any given night. I think Ainge has lost his fastball."
 
Can’t believe how much of the fan base is all in on “tank just as dramatically next year”

I get the logic but this **** becomes psychological some point. A season that isn't going great and then pulling a Sixers would be one thing. But giving Hardy any instructions other than “try to win every game” going into next season just feels cruel.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Can’t believe how much of the fan base is all in on “tank just as dramatically next year”

I get the logic but this **** becomes psychological some point. A season that isn't going great and then pulling a Sixers would be one thing. But giving Hardy any instructions other than “try to win every game” going into next season just feels cruel.
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Only way we should reach such "heights" (lows) in the standings again is nuking the vets. Pulling **** in-game is the red line that is a true violation of the spirit of competition and is at minimum terrible juju (saying nothing of better arguments).
 
NUMBERICA said:
Only way we should reach such "heights" (lows) in the standings again is nuking the vets. Pulling **** in-game is the red line that is a true violation of the spirit of competition and is at minimum terrible juju (saying nothing of better arguments).
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Yea I’m all for trading away vets, have been waiting for them to do it for years actually.

We’ll have a bad team next year if it’s all the young guys. But those guys should be learning the best ways to play together and trying to win.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It will be hard to be bad if we have Cooper. @Elizah Huge and I are gonna have a good portion of a pod discussing it, but Coop won't be the typical rookie that kills your ability to win. All the young guys should improve and some may improve a lot. Managing Lauri and Walker like we have is a bit untenable. You will need to move Collins and Sexton which sounds easy but would have thought we could do it at the trade deadline if it was really easy.
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Maybe. I think Collins is out this summer or at the deadline. Super weird exit interview - it's clear he wants a long-term deal, it's (decently) clear ZanAinge don't want to offer it.

Sexton would take a bullet for Danny or Will, sit out all year to recover, and come back smiling. Like Lauri, he'll do what the team needs because he wants to be part of the future. Whether he is or not remains to be seen.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Only way we should reach such "heights" (lows) in the standings again is nuking the vets. Pulling **** in-game is the red line that is a true violation of the spirit of competition and is at minimum terrible juju (saying nothing of better arguments).
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I think this is the plan, more or less, along with tankitis setting in once again. I think it has less to do with getting a top 3 pick in '26 (though that would be great) and more about not coughing up the Favors offload pick, protected 1-8. You can't give up a first round pick like that when your team is this young.

If the 14% chance results in Flagg, it MIGHT change that dynamic, but even then I'm not sure.
 
47% chance at 5th pick is insane though. For the last two seasons in a row we saw Detroit with the worst record ending up with the 5th pick and the worst team in the league is yet to win a single lottery since they changed the lottery system in 2019. Won't celebrate anything until we actually win the whole thing.
 
Flc said:
I think this is the plan, more or less, along with tankitis setting in once again. I think it has less to do with getting a top 3 pick in '26 (though that would be great) and more about not coughing up the Favors offload pick, protected 1-8. You can't give up a first round pick like that when your team is this young.

If the 14% chance results in Flagg, it MIGHT change that dynamic, but even then I'm not sure.
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Just so everyone knows, only way we can assure that we keep the pick next year is:
1) Finishing with a bottom-4 record
2) Somehow acquiring our own pick back (seems like a ****ing longshot)
 
NUMBERICA said:
Just so everyone knows, only way we can assure that we keep the pick next year is:
1) Finishing with a bottom-4 record
2) Somehow acquiring our own pick back (seems like a ****ing longshot)
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There is a 0.6% chance if we end up bottom 5, 3.8% chance bottom 6, and 14.2% chance bottom 7. I'm feeling pretty comfortable if we get at least bottom 6.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Sure, but the cost of being wrong would be catastrophic.
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We had already dumped Favors once. We really signed him back just to attach a first to move him again the next offseason. What a cataclysmically terrible trade that was. Dennis Lindsey was so bad at his job by the end.

I still say we just give OKC something, and they relinquish any ownership of that pick.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
We had already dumped Favors once. We really signed him back just to attach a first to move him again the next offseason. What a cataclysmically terrible trade that was. Dennis Lindsey was so bad at his job by the end.

I still say we just give OKC something, and they relinquish any ownership of that pick.
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But what gets the job done? They’re going to weigh the value of whatever it is we’re offering against the possibility of getting a top-10 pick sooo it might be stupid to do anything but tank our asses off again.

I’m actually quite into the idea in theory, I just think Presti is gonna be a mother-****er about it which would make tanking kinda the only other smart move.

I’d try to offer the LA pick straight across. Getting our pick back also unlocks the possibility of getting a swap from Cleveland or Minnesota, however unlikely (I still feel like Minnesota looks like dog **** too often and relies too much on aging players to be certain that they’ll be reliably good every year). If you have the pick back, maybe you try R&E-ing Sexton and/or Collins and just go for it and hope one of those teams has a bad year.
 
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