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I don't even want to hear what they have to say anymore.
Points for honesty. That is why almost everyone who has me on ignore has done so. That bit about claiming I am a troll is a lie and everyone knows it. I rarely make personal attacks and don't hound anyone. Many have inexcusably bad beliefs with no ideological backing. They read or heard a thing and believed it because they wanted to. I am blocked because I poke holes in flimsy constructions and the best or only defense is ignorance.

For those who do put thought into your beliefs, I applaud you even if we disagree, and I won't stoop to attacking you personally when discussing those ideas. For those who seek the refuge of willful ignorance, that option is open to you but shielding out opposing views makes you weaker.
 
Points for honesty. That is why almost everyone who has me on ignore has done so. That bit about claiming I am a troll is a lie and everyone knows it. I rarely make personal attacks and don't hound anyone. Many have inexcusably bad beliefs with no ideological backing. They read or heard a thing and believed it because they wanted to. I am blocked because I poke holes in flimsy constructions and the best or only defense is ignorance.

For those who do put thought into your beliefs, I applaud you even if we disagree, and I won't stoop to attacking you personally when discussing those ideas. For those who seek the refuge of willful ignorance, that option is open to you but shielding out opposing views makes you weaker.
I clicked over to see how you were justifying putting people in a Salvadorian prison without due process. I didn't get what I wanted immediately, and I don't want to look back through this thread.

But I'm sure your defense is pretty hilarious.
 

Donald Trump’s most frightening power grab was undertaken with an undertone of sinister jocularity. There was no column of tanks in the streets, no burning of the legislature. The president and his partner in despotism, President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador, were bantering amiably in the Oval Office in front of the press corps, mocking the American court system with evident delight.

Trump’s ploy is almost insultingly simple. He has seized the power to arrest any person and whisk them to Bukele’s notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, where they will be held indefinitely without trial. Once they are in Bukele’s custody, Trump can deny them the protections of American law. His administration has admitted that one such prisoner, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, was sent to El Salvador in error, but insists that it has no recourse. Trump, who has threatened the territorial integrity of multiple hemispheric neighbors, now claims that requesting the return of a prisoner he paid El Salvador to take would violate that country’s sovereignty.

Neither Trump nor Bukele bothered to make this absurd conceit appear plausible. Even as Trump and his officials claim that only El Salvador has the power to free wrongfully imprisoned American residents, the United States is paying El Salvador to hold the prisoners. (Naturally, Congress never appropriated such funds; Trump has already seized large swaths of Congress’s constitutionally mandated spending power for himself.) Bukele told reporters, “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States.” Trump, not even attempting to maintain the pretense that the two countries were somehow at an impasse, told his counterpart, “You are helping us out, and we appreciate it.”

The play was signaled early on, after a judge ordered Bukele to return prisoners seized without due process. In response, Bukele posted on X, “Oopsie… too late .” Trump can snatch prisoners and hand them to Bukele before the courts can act, and Bukele can ignore American court orders.

And so Trump has opened up a trapdoor beneath the American legal system. This trapdoor is wide enough to swallow the entire Constitution. So long as he can find at least one foreign strongman to cooperate, Trump can, if he wishes, imprison any dissident, judge, journalist, member of Congress, or candidate for office.https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/04/bukele-trump-court-order/682432/

If this sounds hyperbolic, bear in mind that Trump has expressed his desire to do these things. He has built an administration dedicated to turning his whims into commands, however fantastical or dangerous they may be, and he has systematically disabled every possible check on his power by training his party’s voters and elected officials to treat dissent as betrayal.

The execution of this strategy has hardly been flawless. (If the administration had the chance to do it again, it would probably have taken care to ensure that the test case for its maneuver concerned an actual gang member, which very few of the deportees to El Salvador appear to be.) Still, in contrast to the shambolic, halting rollout of Trump’s tariffs, the transformation of the world’s oldest democracy into a competitive authoritarian system—rivaling that of Bukele’s regime in El Salvador, Viktor Orbán’s in Hungary, and Vladimir Putin’s in Russia—has the earmarks of careful planning. Every element of Trump’s assault on democracy was broadcast well in advance.
 
I clicked over to see how you were justifying putting people in a Salvadorian prison without due process. I didn't get what I wanted immediately, and I don't want to look back through this thread.

But I'm sure your defense is pretty hilarious.
It is certainly laughable but I wouldn't go so far as to call it hilarious just because of the consequences of millions of people honestly believing the **** AIO is expressing.
 
The New York Times report on what the administration did….


The Trump administration sent them to a prison in El Salvador under a wartime act, calling them members of a Venezuelan gang. But a New York Times investigation found little evidence of criminal backgrounds or links to the gang.

(What a joke):

“In an interview, Mr. Trump’s border czar, Tom Homan, said tattoos were just one factor used to determine if an individual was a member of Tren de Aragua.
“I don’t say it’s a major factor,” he said, “it’s one of many.”

But an internal government document made public in court filings indicates how much weight is given to tattoos.

The document, called the “Alien Enemy Validation Guide,” instructs immigration officials to use a point system to identify members of Tren de Aragua. Eight points makes someone a “validated” member of the group. Having tattoos associated with the gang is worth four points.

Wearing clothing associated with the gang is worth another four.

A second government document indicates that the administration considers a crown tattoo — much like the one worn by soccer star Lionel Messi — and the “Jump Man” symbol, popularized by Michael Jordan, to be Tren de Aragua symbols.

Clothing associated with the gang includes “high-end urban street wear.”

In interviews, five Venezuelan experts on Tren de Aragua — two police officials, two scholars and a journalist — told The Times that while some transnational gangs use tattoos as indicators of membership, the Venezuelan group did not.

“In the case of the Tren de Aragua,” said Luis Izquiel, a professor of criminology at Venezuela’s Central University, “there is no common pattern of similar tattoos among its members.”

While many Tren de Aragua members have tattoos, experts said, so do many young Venezuelan men.

Of the 30 men whose family members or lawyers spoke to the Times, at least 27 have tattoos.

Mr. Suárez has 33, said his family, reflecting his urban music aesthetic. They include one of his signature phrases, they said: “The future is bright.”

The Trump administration began to move dozens of detained Venezuelan men to facilities in Texas roughly two weeks before invoking the Alien Enemies Act.
On March 14 and 15, the men called their families to say that Americans officials had told them they were being deported back to Venezuela, according to dozens of interviews.

In Aragua state, in Venezuela, Mirelis Casique, the mother of Mr. García, the barber, rushed to fix up his room, applying new paint and hanging new curtains.
 
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I clicked over to see how you were justifying putting people in a Salvadorian prison without due process. I didn't get what I wanted immediately, and I don't want to look back through this thread.

But I'm sure your defense is pretty hilarious.
I get that a lot. Some want me to give voice to a villainous viewpoint but don't see what they wish was there and so assume it must be hidden somewhere they didn't see or is a secret motivation I harbor. My failure to match whatever projection is routinely chalked up to my deviousness. Meh.

If you want to separate the wheat from the chaff, you can click on my name and read my post history. It will save you from having to read the entire thread.
 
Trump's "counter-terrorism Czar" Sebastian Gorka suggests that those who aren't on board with the administration's immigration policies should be federally charged as terrorists.


I love it, the criminalization of dissent in what was a democracy. I wonder if those convicted of aiding and abetting can simply ignore those court rulings?
 
I get that a lot. Some want me to give voice to a villainous viewpoint but don't see what they wish was there and so assume it must be hidden somewhere they didn't see or is a secret motivation I harbor. My failure to match whatever projection is routinely chalked up to my deviousness. Meh.

If you want to separate the wheat from the chaff, you can click on my name and read my post history. It will save you from having to read the entire thread.
I don't know about your reputation, in general. I do know your reputation for me, though; and that you've earned that. If you aren't defending the use of this Salvadorian prison, then I apologize (and I'm surprised, since this would be the first daylight I've seen between you and the ulta-right).
 

Donald Trump’s most frightening power grab was undertaken with an undertone of sinister jocularity. There was no column of tanks in the streets, no burning of the legislature. The president and his partner in despotism, President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador, were bantering amiably in the Oval Office in front of the press corps, mocking the American court system with evident delight.

Trump’s ploy is almost insultingly simple. He has seized the power to arrest any person and whisk them to Bukele’s notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, where they will be held indefinitely without trial. Once they are in Bukele’s custody, Trump can deny them the protections of American law. His administration has admitted that one such prisoner, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, was sent to El Salvador in error, but insists that it has no recourse. Trump, who has threatened the territorial integrity of multiple hemispheric neighbors, now claims that requesting the return of a prisoner he paid El Salvador to take would violate that country’s sovereignty.

Neither Trump nor Bukele bothered to make this absurd conceit appear plausible. Even as Trump and his officials claim that only El Salvador has the power to free wrongfully imprisoned American residents, the United States is paying El Salvador to hold the prisoners. (Naturally, Congress never appropriated such funds; Trump has already seized large swaths of Congress’s constitutionally mandated spending power for himself.) Bukele told reporters, “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States.” Trump, not even attempting to maintain the pretense that the two countries were somehow at an impasse, told his counterpart, “You are helping us out, and we appreciate it.”

The play was signaled early on, after a judge ordered Bukele to return prisoners seized without due process. In response, Bukele posted on X, “Oopsie… too late .” Trump can snatch prisoners and hand them to Bukele before the courts can act, and Bukele can ignore American court orders.

And so Trump has opened up a trapdoor beneath the American legal system. This trapdoor is wide enough to swallow the entire Constitution. So long as he can find at least one foreign strongman to cooperate, Trump can, if he wishes, imprison any dissident, judge, journalist, member of Congress, or candidate for office.https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/04/bukele-trump-court-order/682432/

If this sounds hyperbolic, bear in mind that Trump has expressed his desire to do these things. He has built an administration dedicated to turning his whims into commands, however fantastical or dangerous they may be, and he has systematically disabled every possible check on his power by training his party’s voters and elected officials to treat dissent as betrayal.

The execution of this strategy has hardly been flawless. (If the administration had the chance to do it again, it would probably have taken care to ensure that the test case for its maneuver concerned an actual gang member, which very few of the deportees to El Salvador appear to be.) Still, in contrast to the shambolic, halting rollout of Trump’s tariffs, the transformation of the world’s oldest democracy into a competitive authoritarian system—rivaling that of Bukele’s regime in El Salvador, Viktor Orbán’s in Hungary, and Vladimir Putin’s in Russia—has the earmarks of careful planning. Every element of Trump’s assault on democracy was broadcast well in advance.
Great post.

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The New York Times report on what the administration did….


The Trump administration sent them to a prison in El Salvador under a wartime act, calling them members of a Venezuelan gang. But a New York Times investigation found little evidence of criminal backgrounds or links to the gang.

(What a joke):

“In an interview, Mr. Trump’s border czar, Tom Homan, said tattoos were just one factor used to determine if an individual was a member of Tren de Aragua.
“I don’t say it’s a major factor,” he said, “it’s one of many.”

But an internal government document made public in court filings indicates how much weight is given to tattoos.

The document, called the “Alien Enemy Validation Guide,” instructs immigration officials to use a point system to identify members of Tren de Aragua. Eight points makes someone a “validated” member of the group. Having tattoos associated with the gang is worth four points.

Wearing clothing associated with the gang is worth another four.

A second government document indicates that the administration considers a crown tattoo — much like the one worn by soccer star Lionel Messi — and the “Jump Man” symbol, popularized by Michael Jordan, to be Tren de Aragua symbols.

Clothing associated with the gang includes “high-end urban street wear.”

In interviews, five Venezuelan experts on Tren de Aragua — two police officials, two scholars and a journalist — told The Times that while some transnational gangs use tattoos as indicators of membership, the Venezuelan group did not.

“In the case of the Tren de Aragua,” said Luis Izquiel, a professor of criminology at Venezuela’s Central University, “there is no common pattern of similar tattoos among its members.”

While many Tren de Aragua members have tattoos, experts said, so do many young Venezuelan men.

Of the 30 men whose family members or lawyers spoke to the Times, at least 27 have tattoos.

Mr. Suárez has 33, said his family, reflecting his urban music aesthetic. They include one of his signature phrases, they said: “The future is bright.”

The Trump administration began to move dozens of detained Venezuelan men to facilities in Texas roughly two weeks before invoking the Alien Enemies Act.
On March 14 and 15, the men called their families to say that Americans officials had told them they were being deported back to Venezuela, according to dozens of interviews.

In Aragua state, in Venezuela, Mirelis Casique, the mother of Mr. García, the barber, rushed to fix up his room, applying new paint and hanging new curtains.
I would just like to add that having gang tattoos and even being in a gang has never equaled being sent to el Salvador prison for an infinite amount of time.
Same goes for illegally entering the country.

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Trump's "counter-terrorism Czar" Sebastian Gorka suggests that those who aren't on board with the administration's immigration policies should be federally charged as terrorists.

Holy ****ing ****.
So I guess trumpers are probably cool with me being labeled a terrorist and sent to el Salvador prison now

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I don't know about your reputation, in general. I do know your reputation for me, though; and that you've earned that. If you aren't defending the use of this Salvadorian prison, then I apologize (and I'm surprised, since this would be the first daylight I've seen between you and the ulta-right).
I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'ultra-right'. I publicly broke with Trump over the imposition of tariffs. I was tepidly supportive when I thought they'd be used as negotiation points to enshrine free trade agreements, but then some countries dropped their trade barriers and Trump hit them with tariffs anyway. I am consistently a big 'L' registered Libertarian and economically neo-liberal. Socialists consider me to be the far end of evil, and paleo-cons consider me to be a squish.

I'm for gay marriage but against males competing in women's sport and find Thriller's pushing of gender ideology on other people's little kids to be disturbing. I live in a border city, have not always lived in the United States, have no problem with immigration, and love a rich multi-culturalism, but I find those most often pushing the hardest on race relations to be the most disgustingly racist people I know. I applauded Argentina's Javier Milei's efforts to downsize the government, repeal tariffs, do away with currency controls, and gift a chainsaw to Elon Musk so he could do the same here. I'm onboard with DOGE being able to audit every part of government spending and implementing changes to make all of it more transparent.

If that makes me ultra-right then it is what it is, but I also think slapping me with that label says a lot about the one who wants to affix that label to me.
 
Holy ****ing ****.
So I guess trumpers are probably cool with me being labeled a terrorist and sent to el Salvador prison now

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Let me make sure this is clear:

1. The prison that these people are being sent to uses them for forced, unpaid labor.
2. The US is not paying to house these people.
3. I have seen reports (I will have to search for them again) that El Salvador, or the owners/operators of the prison, are actually paying the Trump administration.

We are selling people into slavery.

EDIT: Sorry, I misremembered. The US is actually paying El Salvador to house them. So, we're paying them to take slaves from us. I can't decide if that's better or worse.

 
Let me make sure this is clear:

1. The prison that these people are being sent to uses them for forced, unpaid labor.
2. The US is not paying to house these people.
3. I have seen reports (I will have to search for them again) that El Salvador, or the owners/operators of the prison, are actually paying the Trump administration.

We are selling people into slavery.

EDIT: Sorry, I misremembered. The US is actually paying El Salvador to house them. So, we're paying them to take slaves from us. I can't decide if that's better or worse.


That article is so ****ing disturbing. Every one of these mother****ers involved in this need to be prosecuted for kidnapping, especially The Rapist.
 
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