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Chargers Jazz Angels said:
Cy once made the comparison I have liked about Tre. He is a 6'6" Jordan Clarkson. He has that herky jerky body movement that Clarkson has. He is a better shooter but maybe not the passer Clarkson is but Clarkson wasn't always a good passer either.

I think at 5 it wouldn't be great to get a perennial 6th man of the years but I could live with that floor. I think he could be more than that.
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A 6-6 better shooting Clarkson sounds money to me.
 
KqWIN said:
I think Ace does have more juice than Jabari, and he is a lot better at hitting the mid range shot (not the three ball though). But uses that juice to create fading away jumpers and not much else. He loves that shot, he can get that shot at any time, he's actually very good at making those shots, but those shots suck. If you could show him the math and get him to use his talent to attack the hoop first, or even just stretch his game out to be a heavy 3 point shooter, I think he could be pretty good. He has that Deandre Ayton mentality right now and I hate it.

I had the same concern as you about Tre. And to be clear, I do think he has the potential to be the very best of that archetype....like it's not unrealistic he's a Booker or Herro. If he falls short of that, there are a lot of comps, but these players aren't really my favorite kinds of players. Gun to my head, I think Tre has a higher shot of being Herro than VJ does of becoming peak Oladipo or whatever....but I'm a Melton > Hield type of guy so I think I just prefer VJ.

BTW somewhat unrelated, but Brice was actually a beast at Ohio St. He only played 25 mpg, but his scoring/efficiency was off the charts. I don't know why I'm bringing this up other to say that even with the medical red flags, it's pretty crazy that someone with this much raw production as a freshman fell that far. Same goes for Collier tbh.
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And a little crazy that Sensabaugh was a flame thrower that some Jazz fans were ready to quit on and that the coach wasn't using... thank goodness he showed out.

I think Tre is kinda twitchy as far as how he moves and I think Brice is not that way at all. Its just what sticks out to me when watching the highlights. So he might be able to do more in the NBA whereas Brice's strength advantage he used in college is a little bit neutered.

With Ace so much would come down to intel we won't get. What kind of kid is he, what kind of work ethic, what is his personality. If a guy like Ayton were to be super committed and just a smart guy... the outcome could have been so different.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And a little crazy that Sensabaugh was a flame thrower that some Jazz fans were ready to quit on and that the coach wasn't using... thank goodness he showed out.

I think Tre is kinda twitchy as far as how he moves and I think Brice is not that way at all. Its just what sticks out to me when watching the highlights. So he might be able to do more in the NBA whereas Brice's strength advantage he used in college is a little bit neutered.

With Ace so much would come down to intel we won't get. What kind of kid is he, what kind of work ethic, what is his personality. If a guy like Ayton were to be super committed and just a smart guy... the outcome could have been so different.
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I definitely think Tre looks better on film than Brice, but to give credit to Brice he was actually a killer in the mid range. He and Tre actually had really similar shot profiles (for better or worse), but Brice was a lot more efficient in the mid range. How much does Brice's mid range matter in the NBA? Almost nothing. Part of that is translation to a higher level, but I also think a large part of that is that in the NBA they do not value those shots. You can count the number of guys making a living off of mid range pullups with like one hand, and even though it was a large part of Tre's offense he wasn't that good at it (just 37% in the mid range).

If we're going to use Brice as a case study, the shooting looked great on paper and it did indeed translate. It's why he'll probably have an NBA career, but I think after such a big tank year our sights are set on something bigger than just having a player survive in the NBA. Tre is one of the better three point shooting prospects I can remember, but beyond that he's also kind of similar to Brice....not much else. This is not me saying Tre and Brice are at a similar level, but one guy we got in the late first and one we will have tanked a whole year for so it's a different expectation. Tre isn't a great prospect outside of his 3 ball which leaves me open to the idea of Kas, Kon, or Fears at #5 if that's where we land.

On Ace, definitely agree. Just like Ayton, if you direct that talent in the right direction he will be a star....I just think that is easier said than done. Without that he's probably something like Rudy Gay.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I don’t know why but he seems different than the Salauns and Diengs to me right now. Maybe it’s the stroke? The age? I don’t know, but I’m intrigued.
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He shows some balance, body control and advanced timing for a player that size. He also jumps the passing lanes and seems to anticipate defensively. The elite players move more intelligently than the average player, and Noa moves very well for a long wing. He also has enough touch in general to finish plays.
 
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KqWIN said:
I’m not questioning Nembhard’s value, I’m questioning if you’ve seen him play basketball or looked at a stat sheet if that’s your Walter Clayton comparison.

If you knew the bare minimum about both players I don’t think you would ever make that comparison.
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I thought it was more about 4 year college players, not playing style?
 
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