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Kessler's extension

What is the maximum amount that the Jazz should pay Kessler as part of his multi-year extension?

  • 5 million per year

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 10 million per year

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 15 million

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • 20 million

    Votes: 9 23.7%

  • 25 million

    Votes: 17 44.7%

  • 30 million

    Votes: 6 15.8%

  • 35 million

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • 40 million

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • the rookie max

    Votes: 2 5.3%
  • Total voters
    38
A $30M salary would be 8.3% of the cap in the last year of a 5 year deal. The MLE that season will be $22.7M. With a front loaded deal, we could get him down to $26.7M. The earlier years of his deal are unlikely to matter cap wise in any significant way.

I get having sticker shock, but the cap is booming. I think it's smart for teams to give these very long deals. It's hard for anyone to turn down $150M, but $150M isn't a huge anchor on a team's cap situation.
 
Miggs said:
Jesus. 30M for a guy who’s a below average center who would be a 4th-5th option? Count me out. Draft a rookie in the 20’s who plays defense. Sign a couple vets. Do something. But spending 80M a year on Lauri and Kessler isn’t the right start imo.
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He’s an above average center. I would rather trade than pay what I think will be $30 million a year. I think he’d bring a good return, I just don’t know if he’s a legit playoff contributor.
 
KqWIN said:
A $30M salary would be 8.3% of the cap in the last year of a 5 year deal. The MLE that season will be $22.7M. With a front loaded deal, we could get him down to $26.7M. The earlier years of his deal are unlikely to matter cap wise in any significant way.

I get having sticker shock, but the cap is booming. I think it's smart for teams to give these very long deals. It's hard for anyone to turn down $150M, but $150M isn't a huge anchor on a team's cap situation.
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8.3% doesn't seem right. What are you projecting the cap to be in his final year? 360 million? I'm seeing projections of 260 million, which would be about 12%.

It doesn't really change your point much, but just curious.
 
I find it extremely hard to know what contracts are in terms of value until more of the league is signed under the new money. 25-30 million sounds right to me though.
 
KqWIN said:
A $30M salary would be 8.3% of the cap in the last year of a 5 year deal. The MLE that season will be $22.7M. With a front loaded deal, we could get him down to $26.7M. The earlier years of his deal are unlikely to matter cap wise in any significant way.

I get having sticker shock, but the cap is booming. I think it's smart for teams to give these very long deals. It's hard for anyone to turn down $150M, but $150M isn't a huge anchor on a team's cap situation.
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Front-loaded changes things and I would definitely try to do that.
 
The advantage the Jazz have in the upcoming negotiations is that Kessler has not made much as an NBA player yet. His rookie deal is worth just over $13 million, which obviously is an obscene amount of money, but little compared to what decent NBA players make. Kessler is due to sign a contract that would guarantee to secure him and several generations of his current and future family. Is he willing to risk that all going to waste haggling over a few million while risking a career ending injury?
 
Hedda Gambler said:
The advantage the Jazz have in the upcoming negotiations is that Kessler has not made much as an NBA player yet. His rookie deal is worth just over $13 million, which obviously is an obscene amount of money, but little compared to what decent NBA players make. Kessler is due to sign a contract that would guarantee to secure him and several generations of his current and future family. Is he willing to risk that all going to waste haggling over a few million while risking a career ending injury?
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This argument would work if the Jazz were negotiating with Walker himself but he has an agent that negotiates for him and agents are all about squeezing out every last dollar because that's their job.
 
Jesus. 30M for a guy who’s a below average center who would be a 4th-5th option? Count me out. Draft a rookie in the 20’s who plays defense. Sign a couple vets. Do something. But spending 80u
SoberasHotRod said:
There are very few good centers in the next two drafts. It's probably too early on 2026, but I don't see many highly rated centers. There is a decent chance that Kessler is better than any center in the next two drafts.
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Get mediocre vets at the vet minimum then. Because that’s what he is. Mediocre. And there’s always a handful of guys out there for a super cheap price tag.
 
Can we afford to sign Malik Beasley? Or Beasley and Collins? I’d be curious how well a starting lineup of Collier-Beasley-Flagg-Lauri-Kessler would do?

Maybe trade Key, one of Sexton/Clarkson and our pick in the 20’s to move up. Keep the other one of Clarkson or Sexton, and bring that player, Collins, Hendricks, Williams off the bench.

Is this feasible? Sorry, I’m on the **** Key train. Kid has bum body language.
 
Miggs said:
Can we afford to sign Malik Beasley? Or Beasley and Collins? I’d be curious how well a starting lineup of Collier-Beasley-Flagg-Lauri-Kessler would do?

Maybe trade Key, one of Sexton/Clarkson and our pick in the 20’s to move up. Keep the other one of Clarkson or Sexton, and bring that player, Collins, Hendricks, Williams off the bench.

Is this feasible? Sorry, I’m on the **** Key train. Kid has bum body language.
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What's the point of bringing Beasley in now? Given his defensive ability, it's better to just use BRICE. And I think it's very difficult to get a top pick with the assets you mentioned. Conversely, if we get such an offer, we'll ignore it, right?
 
Basketball Novice said:
This argument would work if the Jazz were negotiating with Walker himself but he has an agent that negotiates for him and agents are all about squeezing out every last dollar because that's their job.
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The Nerlens Noel-fiasco when his agent made him turn down the Mavs' offer is still too recent to reject an offer of a 100 million guaranteed for a player like Kessler IMO.
 
Looking at the average salary per contract of the non-star starting centers (excluding old guys and rookies) there seem to be 2 groups:

1. Centers that can shoot 3-pointers or pass: Sabonis (47), Sengun (36), Porzingis (31), Hartenstein (29), with the exception of Wendell Carter (18) and Turner (19).
2. Traditional defensive centers only - Allen (28), Claxton (23), Capela(22), Zubac (20), Poeltl (20), Adams (13), Gafford (13) , with the exception of the multi-DPOY Gobert (37) and the overpaid Ayton (36).

Kessler is definitely in the second group and he is unlikely to become a 4-time DPOY, so realistically his value is somewhere in the 20-28 million range.
 
jazznik said:
Looking at the average salary per contract of the non-star starting centers (excluding old guys and rookies) there seem to be 2 groups:

1. Centers that can shoot 3-pointers or pass: Sabonis (47), Sengun (36), Porzingis (31), Hartenstein (29), with the exception of Wendell Carter (18) and Turner (19).
2. Traditional defensive centers only - Allen (28), Claxton (23), Capela(22), Zubac (20), Poeltl (20), Adams (13), Gafford (13) , with the exception of the multi-DPOY Gobert (37) and the overpaid Ayton (36).

Kessler is definitely in the second group and he is unlikely to become a 4-time DPOY, so realistically his value is somewhere in the 20-28 million range.
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I think 20-25 Million is where the Jazz probably start negotiating, but this is all old money. There will be new contracts signed this year that will keep pushing the average up. You also pay a premium for youth.

It's interesting because the Jazz both seem very far away from needing someone like Kessler, but also not in a position to care too much about the tax.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
Nah, that is not happening. If his agent tries to go for that, watch him either get traded or forced to go get an offer as an RFA next summer which we can match.
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I'm certain the Jazz have already agreed on an extension with Kessler as there's no way he was willing to sit out those games without an extension.

The going rate for a league average center is $25m a year (see, Nic Claxton. Poeltl got $20m a year before the new CBA and probably gets $25m under new CBA). Kessler gets a bump for being so young that he might still have some upside and gets a bump for agreeing to tank for the Jazz. That probably gets him to $35m a year and 5 years is an ideal length for a rookie extension. Hence 5/175m.
 
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