Trump Dictatorship and All Things Politics
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Sardines
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Well fentanyl is a serious problem.
Mongoose
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Very well said and perfectly logical. How many great institutions have come down in the last 20 years for the same reasons. Where seeing it at the state level as well. Californians fleeing the ****** policies they instituted that destroyed their state. So these liberals want to leave and flood into red states that don’t have the stupid ideology and terrible policies that destroyed California.
Bawse Dawg
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I honestly can’t fathom how he can be so transparent about this **** and his supporters just refuse to see that he’s the biggest snake oil salesman who ever lived. He bet on the country being this stupid, and won, twice!
The Thriller
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Is it?
Think the Trump administration sees substance abuse as a serious problem to resolve or are they merely tying it with immigration as a cudgel to beat brown people that racists like Steve miller don’t like?
Btw, if we were serious about tackling drug addiction, why would Donald do this? I’m not going to feed into the drug fear porn that this administration is trying to sell. Especially when they clearly don’t give a **** about drug addiction. They’re merely using these fears to attack immigrants.
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fishonjazz
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You are right that trump doesn't give a **** about fentanyl or drug addiction and is simply using it as a prop in his war against immigrants but sardines is also right that fentanyl is a problem.
The Thriller
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Trump is the real Michael Scott.
I honestly can’t fathom how he can be so transparent about this **** and his supporters just refuse to see that he’s the biggest snake oil salesman who ever lived. He bet on the country being this stupid, and won, twice!
He wants all the credit when things go well and none of the blame for when they don’t.
What’s troubling to me isn’t that the teevee president is an empty husk. It’s that many think he’s smart. The power of teevee and social media to brainwash the masses and encourage them to project their desires onto Trump, just never ceases to amaze me. He’s a blank canvas page for many dumb Americans just because he’s so dotarded.
Sardines
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Yes. Fentanyl is a big problem. Many more addicts are dying than ever before and the reason is Fentanyl.
I'm not sure what the **** else you're talking about but it has nothing to do with the reality that Fentanyl is a problem.
The Thriller
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Why can’t white people (those are who are primarily addicted to it) addicted to it just say no? I find it interesting that when it comes to opioids and fentanyl, it’s a systemic problem and we need to support these poor families while addictions among other demographic groups are seen as individual failures of morality.
Why can’t these people just join some churches and get support?
Why can’t these people pull themselves up by their own bootstraps?
I personally don’t want my hard earned tax money to be used to enable some dumbass cleutus’s in rural Tennessee’s fentanyl addiction.
Why are white communities rotting internally? What can they do to save themselves? Maybe they should put away the video games and dudebro podcasts and grow up? Is there a Bill Cosby for whites to tell them hard truths?
The Thriller
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People who make bad choices, why should they deserve my handouts? And why is this tied to immigration? Maybe we need to just imprison a whole bunch of ruralists/fentanyl drug addicts?
I just want to make sure I’m not enabling another welfare queen from rural Tennessee. It’s crazy how I’ve lived 40 years and have never been tempted to take drugs. Probably because I knew they weren’t good. Why are so many Americans making such poor choices. Maybe we should deport these folks to El Salvador?
Sardines
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Mostly white people are addicted to fentanyl? News to me.
You keep having an argument that has nothing to do with fentanyl. You're so ****ing focused on R vs D that you can just accept a simple undeniable fact. So much so that you're making MAGA arguments in a way that makes no sense. I get that you're basically trying to make the point that MAGA doesn't really care about fentanyl. Good for them. I do because I've known people who died because of it. So you're snarky little display of pseudo-MAGA POV is annoying and just plain dumb.
Sardines
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You're so amazing! Big wow at how ****ing awesome you are.
I'm going to throw your dumb *** on ignore.
fishonjazz
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Oh, you think that white people are the only people dying from fentanyl and therefore it's not a problem.
A. Gross take. All lives matter including white ones.
B. You are incorrect that only white people are dying from fentanyl.
The Thriller
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I didn’t say they’re the only ones but historically speaking, they’re the demo that has become addicted to it the most.
My point is 2 folded:
1. The way we frame drug addiction is so hypocritical. When talking about crack? It was framed by both politicians and the media as a failure of black communities. Celebrities like Bill Cosby, spoke out to shame their own people. Government intervention was seen as enabling (and still is) unless that government intervention was law enforcement and prison. In that case, government intervention was welcomed.
Yet with opioids, it’s the opposite. It’s a systemic problem, not a moral failure, that must be addressed by the government.
So which is it? Let’s pick a lane and stick with it. Is drug addiction the result of systemic failures that requires government intervention to correct, such as opioid addiction? Or is it the result of moral failures within the demographic in which case the addictions are the natural consequences of immorality?
2. Drug addiction needs to be decoupled from any talk about immigration or “dUh BoRdEr.” It’s clear that supply will follow demand no matter if we place crocs with lasers on their heads at every mile marker along every border. Therefore, talking about fentanyl along with immigration makes about as much sense as talking about cooper Flagg and Russia invading Ukraine; they’re two completely different issues.
Lastly, I think most Of you know where I stand regarding a robust social service net. But if we want to have a government that can aid with drug addiction, then we certainly can no longer empower dotards like Trump and Musk and RFK. These people aren’t serious about solving any problems, especially those complicated like drug addiction.
Btw, Trump’s Supreme Court ****ed over addicts by helping out Purdue Pharma last year. Again, we need to have memories longer than goldfish. This was the company that knew it was killing off Americans with its product. But they didn’t give a **** cuz it was so lucrative. And buying off Trump and the Supreme Court was so easy. So they got off, thanks to stupid people voting for Trump. It’s ironic, because how many of those impacted by drug addiction voted to empower Trump and this Supreme Court because they wanted a tighter border against drugs?
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The Thriller
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What? Haha place me on ignore then. Seems like an odd response to my post. Maybe this highlights our age difference? Throughout the 80s and 90s, it was pretty damn common to hear about “crack babies” and see celebrities like Bill Cosby beat up their own communities for their perceived moral failures. This actually contributed to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and worldview we see today. When they talk about drug addicted communities, rarely are they talking about rural America. They’re talking about black inner cities where their moral failings are obvious and scary and must be avoided by any true freedom loving patriotic and virtuous true American living in the rural areas and burbs. In reality, we know drug addiction can be everywhere. What I’m mocking is the framing of the two. Crack and the inner cities? Scary brown black immigrants moral failings while rural (white areas) poor unfortunate souls who need help.
I wish we would see drug addiction as something that needs to be addressed by government in a fair, competent, and equitable manner. NOT as a cudgel to dehumanize minorities or demonize the border or immigrants. See the difference?
If Americans are serious about drug addiction, why vote for republicans? They’ve shown zero care about bolstering the social safety net (the opposite actually, DODGE has cut programs) and have sought to help out evil companies like Purdue Pharma, who knew their product was killing off people. If Americans are serious about drug addiction, why mix it with immigration or the border? Why do we have a double standard when talking about crack epidemics (moral failings, lock em up) vs opioids (aww poor forgotten man people who just need government help)?
Again, I think my stance on bolstering the social safety net is clear. But let’s apply it consistently to all drug addiction (all lives matter!). And let’s empower leaders who actually care about helping those addicted to drugs. Let’s stop empowering those who are merely using drug addiction as a cudgel to beat up Hispanics or impose white nationalism onto the country.
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Red
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One of the great mysteries of history, lol. I’m sure some see the con, but it’s not going to affect their support.
What leaves me slack jawed, right from the start of his political career, was his MO of actually talking his reality into existence. And it has worked. I know he didn’t win in 2020. I know the stock market is Trump’s stock market. But it’s more than just “repeat a lie often enough”, although it’s also that. What’s unique, in my experience, is it’s a non stop effort to shape reality. Is this what post truth looks like? It becomes irrelevant if a statement is the truth or a transparent obvious lie? It just doesn’t matter. I mean we’ve had the Washington Post keep track of the count, the number of lies, off the charts obviously, and still the press just talks to him like this is normal. So, this is how a dictator comes to power? Not by the sword but the mighty tongue of bull****?
The Thriller
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Yet another example of what I’m talking about ruralists in Utah overwhelmingly voted for Mike Lee, Donald Trump, and the GOP. The utah leg has a super majority largely because rural Utah is so red.
If you actually have liberal policy preferences then why are you voting for republicans? And if you’re too dumb to vote for programs that benefit you and your community, why do you deserve my sympathy? Democracy is the idea that people can self-govern. But if the people are so misinformed, incurious, or dotarded… what am I supposed to do? Thoughts and prayers?
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If you actually have liberal policy preferences then why are you voting for republicans? And if you’re too dumb to vote for programs that benefit you and your community, why do you deserve my sympathy? Democracy is the idea that people can self-govern. But if the people are so misinformed, incurious, or dotarded… what am I supposed to do? Thoughts and prayers?
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fishonjazz
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You are projecting what you think people think onto people.
Hard, addictive, destructive drugs are bad. Doesn't matter if it's fentanyl, crack, PCP, or whatever. Most people think this. Most people don't make it a black or white issue. If there is less fentanyl then that's a good thing for everyone regardless of who takes credit for the decrease or how the decrease of achieved.
I disagree that supply will follow demand for certain. Demand is driven highly by the supply/addiction.
If someone is addicted to fentanyl but can not get fetanyl then in time the addiction subsides as does the demand.
