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    Cooper Flagg wants another year in college

    Actually, they are actively throwing games. Sitting your healthy veterans specifically for the games against other tanking teams is throwing games. Not putting back the best players in the fourth until the very last minutes (while the opponent is erasing your lead/puling away) is throwing games...
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    Keyonte George Hype & Appreciation Thread

    I know that the progress is not linear but I just don't see any area that Keyonte improved in since the end of last season. There was probably some moderate improvement in his ability to draw fouls on the drives, but I think thats it. If he is going to top off as the younger version of...
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    Following Potential 2025 Draftees

    Well, I became the Jazz fan during the Jerry Sloan years because I liked what he and the Jazz stood for back then. I don't follow other teams. But it's true, the current Jazz are doing their best to turn off fans like me who embraced the Jazz team culture of the past.
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    Following Potential 2025 Draftees

    That's a well-thought response. There are some things that I disagree with, though. Toronto is Canadian, which is probably as bad as the location of SLC. However, they have the appeal of a big city, have the most ready supportive cast of young players to be competitive immediately and one a...
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    Following Potential 2025 Draftees

    I think many posters on this site lost the meaning of what the sport is about. It is about competing hard, playing fair, doing your best and being proud of what you achieved with all your effort. Does it guarantee the ultimate win? Of course not, that's life. But watching it is so much fun...
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    Following Potential 2025 Draftees

    It is just being realistic. SLC even in the best years was routinely mentioned as the worst destination for the NBA players. Two most recent centerpieces the Jazz had, Hayward and Mitchell, clearly wanted out. Heck, even Conley did not want to come to the Jazz but was forced to. But more...
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    Following Potential 2025 Draftees

    To be honest, if I were someone like Flagg or Harper and I had to choose between the bottom feeders of Washington, New Orleans, Charlotte, Toronto and Utah, the Jazz would be my last choice by far. A combination of weather, small town feel and the fact that the Jazz have no promising young...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    Here are the quotes from the Jazzfanz posters discussing who the Jazz should pick with their 35th pick and talking about the future top-15 great: - "Am I the only one who is interested in Jokic? Never seen his nane on this forum." - "personally I take medicine when I get jokic, but if you...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    Flagg IS a great college player and has a high chance of being a great NBA player. But he does not have that rare physical advantage that you cannot teach like Howard, LeBron or Wemby did. Another player from this draft can quite plausibly have a better learning curve plus develop his body...
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    Should we be worried about turnover margin?

    Good teams have the lowest TO%, bad teams - the highest. The top3 teams with the lowest one are Oklahoma, Boston, and Cleveland. Utah is a bad team now.
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    You know, these stats are not that different from what Filipowski posted in 30MPG before being drafted in the 2nd round: 16.4 points, 8.3 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 1.5 blocks. 51% from the field, 34% from 3, 67% from the line.
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    But why are people so fixated specifically on Flagg? Historically the can't-miss-prospects were deemed such because of their otherworldly athleticism. At least after everybody shifted to being drafted at 18/19: Lebron, Wemby, Dwight Howard, Zion. But Flagg is not one of those athletic unicorns...
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    Game Thread Feb 13, 2025 07:00PM MT: LA Clippers @ Utah Jazz

    Since Silver is not monitoring it, I would like to share here a curious statistic: this year the Jazz played other tanking teams (plus a terribly injured at the time Orlando) 7 times: Lauri missed 5 of those games.
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    Game Thread Feb 13, 2025 07:00PM MT: LA Clippers @ Utah Jazz

    I know, I know. But at the end of this game he played against the field of midgets and was routinely guarded by 6'3"Dunn, 6"5" Bogdanovic and 6'5" Harden. Lauri should destroy such match ups by overpowering them on the drives to the basket (he did it once and I was like "oh, yeah!" - and then...
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    Game Thread Feb 13, 2025 07:00PM MT: LA Clippers @ Utah Jazz

    That was another frustrating performance from Lauri at the end of the game. He entered at 7 minutes left in the forth and stayed on the court all game (And yeas, I understand that it was the end of the back-to-back and he was tired but so was everyone else on the Jazz and on the Clippers). The...
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    Game Thread Feb 13, 2025 07:00PM MT: LA Clippers @ Utah Jazz

    Flip looked so nimble and light on his feet tonight. If he can keep doing that he will have advantage over many bulky centers. Or he can even play the power forward.
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    How long does a SUCCESSFUL tank need to be?

    I would expect such thorough empiricist as Davide Hume to be way more attentive to easily measurable differences in the draft process over that time before aggregating the results. It is absolutely useless to look at the draft results of the 60s and 80s looking for the insights for the...
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    How long does a SUCCESSFUL tank need to be?

    You are hyper-fixated only on the picks as the only road to success. If we don't tank we can make many other moves that help building a successful team: we can instill the culture where everyone plays hard everyday because the result matters and everybody is accountable. We can make sure that we...
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    How long does a SUCCESSFUL tank need to be?

    That is true in general, but there are franchises that consistently draft good players with low picks and that is hard to explain by sheer luck. The success of the Spurs has been often ascribed to getting lucky and drafting Duncan. But they became the force in the next 15 years not due to that...
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    How long does a SUCCESSFUL tank need to be?

    The logic is simple: many people here talk about specific players (Harper, Boozer etc.) as though if the Jazz got them with a high pick then the team would get a franchise player. But in reality, the rate of busts/disappointments is very high in the NBA drafting. Even teams with the 1st picks...
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