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Even at the player he is now, he has outplayed his draft position by a lot. He was damn near the last player taken in the first round of a bad draft.

Do you really think if we had played the players who could have been made available the minutes that a team trying to win would play them, especially down the stretch, we would have been 4-13? We have lost a lot of games with 4th quarter chicanery.

Look at what happened in Houston once they added some actual NBA vet talent. It wasn't even top shelf, but their young players have come along faster.

This was my favorite Collier highlight: View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCsRI5xmpxE

It took Jason Kidd a bit to be able to put it in the ocean as well.

Hypothetical question. Is there anyone here that would trade Collier right now for Anthony Black?

There is just as much of a chance that we lose too many games to land Flag. 2 Teams lost more games than the Spurs when they got Wemby.

They aren't trading Lauri. They will likely trade young talent and picks. Why would the Hawk want Lauri?

I have a suspicion that this is the play, especially since Collins can now coexist with a legit center.

Trade them or what? Young, high efficiency players on good contracts? That is what they currently are. Or did you just want to give them away so all of us can spend another year not caring about jazz basketball?

Danny - "You know what? We don't even need to be in this trade! We'll just see ourselves out!" Other teams- "Bye! Hey wait, where did those second round picks go!?"

I mean it isn't a worse disaster than dismantling their bench and flexibility to get Beal and his no trade clause.

Who gets JHS?

I think Schroder is also expiring.

We are giving up Tucker I think. . .

Schroder's slot fits Clarkson and he is expiring.

OK, with the stuff flying around, I guess I am down with Schroder compared with everything else. . .

I understand there would be more involved, but I like Collins and don't really want Schroder for a few reasons that are more than a couple second rounders.

Man, if we traded Collins for Schroder, I just don't know. . .

Playing Schroder could absolutely kill the tank. Hope he is going somewhere else. . .