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Clarkson has been a net negative since about 2021. Advanced stats show that the last season of Gobert/Mitchell era, his terrible defense outweighed the offense provided by a bit, then last season it did it by a lot, and then this year he basically fell of the cliff. We're just splitting hairs...

I have serious questions about you actually watching games the past couple of years if you believe that keeping Clarkson was conducive to winning in the long run. And as I and other have pointed out, that team looked terrible already. No one, and I mean no one, thought that keeping Conley...

He did, though. He traded away everyone from that 2022 team away in the span of 6 months except Clarkson. The Jazz went into the season with the worst betting odds in the league and the second worse over/under for wins. What else should he have done? Insisted that Minnesota and Cleveland...

So the grass is perhaps patchy and sun-burnt on the other side then?

Basically, Donovan's personality is some combination of LeBron and Durant, but without the talent.

Which is why he's now on a terrible Memphis team and Boston improved massively after trading him. It's 2024. Unless you're 7 feet tall and can absolutely shut the paint down, you really ought to be able to shoot.

I just hate the way some(seems like most) people are. We trade away two big stars and go into a rebuild hoping that the picks we have received, most of which we actually don't receive for years, will hopefully eventually turn into some young, talented players with potential. When we actually...

And this sense of entitlement and expectations of greatness are coming from where exactly? We're the Utah Jazz, in case you've missed the name of the forum.

Oh, I know. I figured you and I were both being (mostly) sarcastic.

And hope to get players who are half as good as Lauri and Sexton in the draft.

I think the only time in my life I was as butt-hurt as OP is right now was the weekend of my frat initation.

He's half the player he was before the injury.

If we get both Giddey and Bridges, we'd probably have to invest in more security along the sidelines at Delta. For the safety of about half the paying audience.

What a terrible place to be in. It may actually lead to some wins over the next couple of years, heaven forbid.

Not that I believe in redemption to begin with, but shouldn't a person at the very least actually admit doing something before any sort of redemption could happen?

No, the NBA teams have gotten objectively worse at drafting. It's that simple. Here's an article, along with its statistical analysis, as a start. https://quantimschmitz.com/2022/11/01/have-nba-teams-gotten-better-at-drafting/

33rd. Crazy thing is, 3 of his Villanova teammates were drafted ahead of him that very year. Including Omari Spellman who is currently unemployed after a middling year in Korea(the South one).

Here's some more crazy trivia. Last time a team drafted a player at #1 who became an MVP was 2008. 16 years ago and even then, it was actually a disastrous pick for that team. Last time we can say that a team drafted a absolute all-time great who could lead teams to championships at #1...

Well, here's a little chart I just whipped up. Top 10 picks over a period of a decade and their BPM. I chose to start in 2020 because it's unfair to take players with fewer than 4 seasons under their belt and compare them to seasoned vets. I chose BPM because I like the stat and because...

Number one picks the last 20 years. 2004 Dwight Howard 2005 Andrew Bogut 2006 Andrea Bargnani 2007 Greg Oden 2008 Derrick Rose 2009 Blake Griffin 2010 John Wall 2011 Kyrie Irving 2012 Anthony Davis 2013 Anthony Bennett 2014 Andrew Wiggins 2015 Karl-Anthony...