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  1. JAZZFAN_2814

    Of past and present, and a franchise's identity

    I've been analytical about Sloan's faults in the past, but that has nothing to do with what transpired in his dismissal. Which is clearly what it was. The point of the thread -- its basic theme -- was principles. If you can't understand context -- for arguments and conduct -- then you're...
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    Will Jazz fans kill the Utah Jazz franchise?

    What's interesting, is that while targeting the collective psyche of "bad" Jazz fans on this matter, you actually make a point against Deron's mentality. That is, assuming that fan reaction would drive him away. It would just be a further example of how mentally weak he is, which I think has...
  3. JAZZFAN_2814

    Reading Behind the Lines

    This was pretty subdued relative to the debacle, and the writer. Which is telling as to just how bad it truly is, when even Vescey can't truly sensationalize it.
  4. JAZZFAN_2814

    Of past and present, and a franchise's identity

    After watching Sloan's gut-wrenching farewell, itself precipitated by another listless (or is that pissy, premeditated and putrid?) performance from Deron Williams, it occurred to me: what does this franchise stand for? Loyalty. Commitment. Stability. Honesty. Any sense of right and wrong...
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    Lakers' Philbert Jackson's Backhanded Compliment for Jerry Sloan

    Phil is sometimes worth quite a bit, but in this instance is just pathologically pathetic. Funny thing is, in the past he's praised Sloan without reservation, or sarcasm. More offensive to me is the two-faced nature of this franchise. Particularly Gregg Miller, perfectly summed up by his latest...
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    Kirilenko's Heart is in Utah: nba.com

    Kirilenko's heart? That's a contradiction in terms.
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    CHICAGO BULLS v. UTAH JAZZ 7:00 MST 09 February 2010

    The Jazz are an expressionist stage play: to be inside the mind of Gregg Miller, or O'Connor, by way of the inept product they've put on the floor. But it's not even Felliniesque even while being so absurd; it's just...boring. Like a Guy Maddin film.
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    A Call for Sloanfeld to stop the excessive Boozer praise

    I'd rather have Boozer than Millsap. The skillsets are not close, and the result -- even with tonight's outlier on boards -- is proving this point in key areas. I expected the Jazz to have trouble with the boards without Boozer, but Jefferson/Millsap have been worse than I expected in a...
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    This one's on Deron

    Deron looked like a combination ad for Dramamine and Nyquil out there tonight; sleepwalking and sea sick. He's looking more and more disinterested. Like he could take home this year's Odom Bong Award. At the same time, I can understand the frustration. People will bitch at him -- and he...
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    Strange post-game statements from Sloan and KOC

    The downgrade seems likely. If it was AK -- as a guy who has wanted him off the team for a very long time -- this would be a kick in the nuts, assumptive within and to the package. I mean that relative to what Utah turned down -- Marion, Carter, et cetera -- only to now dump salary...
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    If the Jazz had Phil or Pat or ??? Would we have a ring?

    The roster's have never been too brilliant. In the late 80s/early 90s they were pretty awful, particularly as regards secondary, backcourt, playmaking and guys with range. When Utah was built around these concepts, or provided them, the team became an immediate, and obvious contender. Enter...
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    Dead in the water...

    This sounds like a Republican talking point around November. No matter how bad the product is, no matter the degree of cynicism from those pushing it on their base, it's best to support it because, because...the alternative is so much worse. Politburo economics and marketing 101. At some point...
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    What Happens if We Don't Trade for Al?

    Which, if accepted, is its own indictment. There are teams aiming for the lotto that have more to look forward to. Millsap as the team's second option is a punchline to a joke called 'the new, improved Utah Jazz'. Disgusting. I have little to no qualm with what you see in this regard...
  14. JAZZFAN_2814

    This franchise doesn't want to win a title

    I believe I pointed out that the argument was so simplistic, and through your responses redundant, that it was becoming squared by that very selfsame standard or stricture. In other words, I doubt it's possible to miss your reasoning. Which is the problem, since that very same application and...
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    Jazz vs Fakers, 8:30 PM MST 1-25-11 NBA TV

    What else is new? When it comes to the Lakers, Sloan is either a trained seal or a baby seal about to be clubbed: helpless and clueless. If he does have a clue, that's grounds for being fired. We're talking Falcon and the Snowman treason here. But honestly, there's an insanity with the way...
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    I am abandoning this team.

    This team is a part of the franchise model in Utah. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Oh. ****. It's a stillborn.
  17. JAZZFAN_2814

    This franchise doesn't want to win a title

    Yeah. If it's about management, then leave it there. Don't blame the star players for that same management's ineptitude. It seems that your too inept to, ironically, follow what this thread was about, even while trying to turn that same issue into pedagogic polemic. What an embarrassment...
  18. JAZZFAN_2814

    Hayward starting in place of AK tonite!

    Hayward will only get better -- and has skillsets far better suited to Sloan's offense -- whereas Kirilenko...why even bother? He doesn't. Hayward was a smart move, long-term. His ability to be a secondary playmaker and scorer in the backcourt could remake this team into a real contender. The...
  19. JAZZFAN_2814

    Deron Deserves Better

    2814+OneBrow+Hopper=Deron?!!! Just think, it's a real possibility that AK will still be on the Jazz long after both Boozer and Deron are gone. Maybe Utah Jazz basketball, at 26+ wins, will be "fun" again. Is write4u weeping? And if so, where?
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    What Happens if We Don't Trade for Al?

    Al Jefferson, honestly, has been below-par. Paul Millsap has been about on par. One is what he is. A role player. His "on" stretches or nights will showcase him, statistically at least, as a near-star talent, but just as likely, or even more, he will look like a guy that has no business...
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