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The Jazz's interesting lineups may be a good modern art showpiece. They aren't good basketball lineups.

Thanks Dad! Sorry I put you in that nursing home. Now, time to move into your rent-controlled apt!!!!

I saw Kevin O'Connor. I didn't see any Jazz shooters. All the wrong pieces remain.

Stockton's injury, general fatigue from the schedule, and having the best record without the favorable playoff seed because of that Spurs debacle (46 FTS?!!!? Really? Really). That season may piss me off as much s the illegal zone defense Finals of 98.

Deron looked giddy when talking about Sloan's departure. ****er

On Jefferson: he might be a terrible mix of size and skillsets. A center's mobility, lacking range, no facilitation, all in a pf's frame.

That fourth Blazers game...what a screwjob. I'm still angry about those playoffs, and the rotten schedule (worst ever, and only given to Utah) that led up to them.

I know. Spoiled. I think the same will be revealed without Sloan -- one of the few coaches to maximize talent, and there often wasn't much outside his stars.

In other words, this team can ill-afford Kirilenko.

Al Jefferson';s now on a terrible team. I at least expect a high-rate of stat-padding.

Non-contributing role players usually do really well with plus/minus. Kirilenko's injury looked horrific. Just horrific. I mean, last year? We didn't even SEE any contact cause the injury. I'm thinking six months of rehab. Minimum. The Jazz still don't have that team shrink remember.

Karl Malone used to own centers. Like David Robinson. Gortat is too much for Jefferson., Gortat!

This. The most telling point; I think the implicit -- noted, thus explicit -- point is that Karl believes Deron and Sloan not only went at it, but that management became involved. And sided with Deron. And Sloan's prediction became fact: management took the team away, the player no longer...

Well, as long as they aren't teammates of the same, or higher, stature in the league. It's amazing to me how people talk about Kobe's loyalty to the Lakers after all that went down with Shaq, then with the idiotic and absurd whining about the lack of "talent" on the Lakers after Kobe helped...

Hey Sub. Real long time. The halcyon days of the ESPN boards. Stock. Malone. Sloan. Larry. Even as someone who questioned the late LHM -- who was and still is somewhat upset over certain decisions -- I can't help but think that things would have been different with him in charge. That there...

He quit. After he learned that the Jazz were no longer his. No. What Sloan is, in his own gruff, curmudgeonly way is tactful and, more than that, loyal. He didn't want to hurt the organization, even as they were hurting him. I know. I know. Foreign concepts. I discussed this in the...

And management understands the danger in this. Further, from this, Deron understands his power. Not so illogical, at all. The more you belabor it, the more you drive the point home. How many coaches were Jerry Sloan? And yet, it's clear to all of us who was more important. Right...

Cool. Kobe understands Deron, Deron understands Kobe. I can't think of a more appropriate comparison. Especially as regards powerplays. And hey, Kobe probably threw the 04 Finals, and just gave up a few years ago against the Suns.

How many threads have been started in the last day? How many threads have I started in my history on this board, or the one before? There was a theme and reason for a separate thread. So, yeah. Like a lot of people, I had certain thoughts that I wanted to represent in a new thread. How...