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95% of taxpayers would save money under Bernie Sanders

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#feelthebern
 
I haven't found one legitimate article to date. Both sides have such messed up ideas and everyone seems to believe everything they read or don't read (saw on Facebook)
 
And while we're at it, let's raise that minimum wage to $15 an hour so unemployment can jump to about a true 15%!!!
 
"It assumes that college attendance wouldn't increase, that students wouldn't switch from private to public colleges, and that public colleges wouldn't increase tuition."


Those are really dumb assumptions.
 
#bern said:
"It assumes that college attendance wouldn't increase, that students wouldn't switch from private to public colleges, and that public colleges wouldn't increase tuition."


Those are really dumb assumptions.
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It also seemingly does not account for the basic economic principle of supply and demand, i.e. how many more jobs will be offshored if such a policy actually increased average income by this much and, as such, increases property values thus effectively negating any potentially added value this plan would give (while also saddling us with massive debt).
 
I completely sympathize with cynicism over "college" , but it doesn't need to be this expensive. And neither does it need to further develop a job market that is some corporate-heavy-&-off-shoring sort of thing.

Ok, I'm gonna let my optimist out around you, franklin.

Give people a genuinely good education though age 22*; and don't saddle them with debt that forces them into **** jobs and/or away from the communities of their choice. Under these conditions, a lot of people (maybe not anywhere near the majority, but still a lot) will happily take jobs that are stable and nutritive (in one way or another) for their communities.** I think a lot of places could use that kind of jolt.


*And you bloody well know that right now too many people aren't making it to a decent level of maturity before 22.

**Having immature and indebted people running around worried about politics and the economy is about the most shrill existence possible. It'd be nice if we could do better.
 
NAOS said:
I completely sympathize with cynicism over "college" , but it doesn't need to be this expensive. And neither does it need to further develop a job market that is some corporate-heavy-&-off-shoring sort of thing.

Ok, I'm gonna let my optimist out around you, franklin.

Give people a genuinely good education though age 22*; and don't saddle them with debt that forces them into **** jobs and/or away from the communities of their choice. Under these conditions, a lot of people (maybe not anywhere near the majority, but still a lot) will happily take jobs that are stable and nutritive (in one way or another) for their communities.** I think a lot of places could use that kind of jolt.


*And you bloody well know that right now too many people aren't making it to a decent level of maturity before 22.

*8Having immature and indebted people running around worried about politics and the economy is about the most shrill existence possible. It'd be nice if we could do better.
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Boomer NIMBYism and zoning ordinances is what forces people away from communities of their choice.
 
What some call "nuanced" others pronounce "dunced".

What we need is another Webster who uncritically collected vocabulary and usages and meanings, and put them in catalog form.

Not some snooty PC language police.

ya, socialism is as old as the hills, it has always failed when some vigorous starving horde came over the hill with clubs and rocks looking for a place to plunder.

The American System, as once envisioned, was designed to prevent noble elitists from having enough power to steal your stuff and hand it over to their liege class.

The reason college tuition is high is because it is subsidized. Whatever you subsidize will get a higher price. Taking stuff from some just means those folks will work less, just do the minimum essential product they need.

Do-gooders have great hopes but they're only looking out front, not at the trail behind. ya know, Bernie will do to America what Hugo Chavez has done to Venezuela.

Don't vote for the Bernies, vote for the Trumps.
 
NAOS said:
I completely sympathize with cynicism over "college" , but it doesn't need to be this expensive. And neither does it need to further develop a job market that is some corporate-heavy-&-off-shoring sort of thing.

Ok, I'm gonna let my optimist out around you, franklin.

Give people a genuinely good education though age 22*; and don't saddle them with debt that forces them into **** jobs and/or away from the communities of their choice. Under these conditions, a lot of people (maybe not anywhere near the majority, but still a lot) will happily take jobs that are stable and nutritive (in one way or another) for their communities.** I think a lot of places could use that kind of jolt.


*And you bloody well know that right now too many people aren't making it to a decent level of maturity before 22.

**Having immature and indebted people running around worried about politics and the economy is about the most shrill existence possible. It'd be nice if we could do better.
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I was speaking to the entire platform not one specific talking point.

I completely agree with the bolded. However, I'm reluctant to think that it will actually make a hill of beans of a difference. 3 things here:

1. Free college will do nothing but alter peoples decisions and everything will even out anyway.
2. People with degrees in the USA are extremely employable and make, comparing to the average, a very livable wage for the most part. You can guess what the exceptions are: liberal art degrees, social sciences, teachers, film industry, etc. We do not have an unemployment problem for those with 4 year degrees (it barely touched 4% in the Great Recession).
3. The college debt thing is completely overblown. Most college kids don't exit school with much debt at all. The data is skewed by folks mainly from rich households who are attending elite universities. Those people aren't getting a free ride from me.
 
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