Andy Larsen's Article from Last Night - A Local Guy Going Hard

[Handlogten's Heros]

Dude went at the team hard... and when I say he went at the team... he went at them all. His last couple paragraphs on DL/JZ were especially pertinent imo. With how bad a fit Green and Davis were how did we think that would work? As a couch GM I knew the stuff I'd watched and raw numbers, but didn't realize how small Davis was, how he can't protect the rim much, and how he's basically a walking turnover in the pick and roll. Our GMs should know that... Green was a m

inimum guy and we needed a guy so whatevs.

Go read his article... he deserves your clicks... good job andy (not sure he has an account here anymore or I'd send it to his handle.)​

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/02/25/jazz-suns-analysis-by/

 

[NAOS]

“Is it a coincidence that struggles really began nearly at the same time that Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert were named All-Stars on TNT? I don’t think so.”

Larsen stealing my **** again.

 

[nateboz]

Yes every other player has faults, Andy really let Conley off here.
I rewatched a couple games I had on the DVR when Mike was hurt. The biggest difference was how close the guys all looked.
Joe was hyping up everyone, talking trash and kicking butt.
Don was the centerpiece and had the ball in his hands every play. He was making crazy passes and attacking the paint like crazy.
Bogey was getting the ball at least 50% more often, and he was making plays.
Rudy wasn't forced to guard every single player, he was much more confident offensively too.
Mike comes in and the whole team stumbles. It happened the first part of the year, he got hurt the Jazz looked like the Jazz of last year, comes back and the whole thing is crumbling again.
Mike usetawas good, this year he's a true cancer. He's the worst fit the Jazz have ever had.

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[NAOS]

Step back and take a look at what’s happened during the downturns this season.... It’s only reasonable to assert that there’s a disconnect brewing somewhere between the players, the coaches, and/or the front office.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Step back and take a look at what’s happened during the downturns this season.... It’s only reasonable to assert that there’s a disconnect brewing somewhere between the players, the coaches, and/or the front office.

Not sure I follow, but I think Quin is likely not super happy about having a bench full of G League guys he doesn't trust. I think the front office likely doesn't see us as a real contender or you don't just punt the backup big minutes saying "what does it matter... its only like 12 minutes a night.. NBD guis lols". So from that standpoint I think the players and front office are aligned in their contentedness. So maybe the coaching staff isn't in line there?

 

[candrew]

Has nothing to do with stupid ASG selections.

Teams are going small and The Jazz have no answers - and the fact that they have no answer is killing their confidence as a team and causing them to get frustrated which translates to you and me as a lack of effort.

The whole defense is predicated on the fact that "Rudy has your back." When that doesn't happen the system collapses like a house of cards.

Not sure what the answer is, maybe modified zone when teams go small, but the ship is taking on water here.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Has nothing to do with stupid ASG selections.

Teams are going small and The Jazz have no answers - and the fact that they have no answer is killing their confidence as a team and causing them to get frustrated which translates to you and me as a lack of effort.

The whole defense is predicated on the fact that "Rudy has your back." When that doesn't happen the system collapses like a house of cards.

Not sure what the answer is, maybe modified zone when teams go small, but the ship is taking on water here.

That's part of it, but we aren't making basic rotations or putting enough effort in the initial resistance. Watch the minutes when Conley comes out in the first quarter... the defense changes for a couple minutes and all of a sudden we are being disruptive and making rotations... then it completely disappears the rest of the game. BTW... not blaming Conley... that is just when it happened iirc.

 

[Mongoose]

Yes every other player has faults, Andy really let Conley off here.
I rewatched a couple games I had on the DVR when Mike was hurt. The biggest difference was how close the guys all looked.
Joe was hyping up everyone, talking trash and kicking butt.
Don was the centerpiece and had the ball in his hands every play. He was making crazy passes and attacking the paint like crazy.
Bogey was getting the ball at least 50% more often, and he was making plays.
Rudy wasn't forced to guard every single player, he was much more confident offensively too.
Mike comes in and the whole team stumbles. It happened the first part of the year, he got hurt the Jazz looked like the Jazz of last year, comes back and the whole thing is crumbling again.
Mike usetawas good, this year he's a true cancer. He's the worst fit the Jazz have ever had.

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I'm starting to feel like a broken record... The media seems to think that Mike is being treated unfairly or that he is getting more than his share of the blame and I don't get it.
If I ran an organization and I gave up significant assets, changed team rules, made accommodations, went out on a limb for, and paid more than two statues to get, I think I would be expecting him to answer some tough questions... Does he not feel any responsibility? I don't think they are protecting him, because the scrutiny isn't there from anywhere except with fans. At least that's what I see... Mike doesn't seem to be taking ownership and it doesn't appear that he is being held accountable for his own ****** play, let alone the team.

 

[Beer]

I'm starting to feel like a broken record... The media seems to think that Mike is being treated unfairly or that he is getting more than his share of the blame and I don't get it.
If I ran an organization and I gave up significant assets, changed team rules, made accommodations, went out on a limb for, and paid more than two statues to get, I think I would be expecting him to answer some tough questions... Does he not feel any responsibility? I don't think they are protecting him, because the scrutiny isn't there from anywhere except with fans. At least that's what I see... Mike doesn't seem to be taking ownership and it doesn't appear that he is being held accountable for his own ****** play, let alone the team.

Because almost none of the issues last night can be attributed to Conley. The only real issue I see with Conley, other than his up and down play, is that he pushes Royce and Joe out of the roles they were successful in. Now once again, that is not a Mike issue. That is a coaching issue and an issue of Joe and Royce not being good enough to adapt.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Because almost none of the issues last night can be attributed to Conley. The only real issue I see with Conley, other than his up and down play, is that he pushes Royce and Joe out of the roles they were successful in. Now once again, that is not a Mike issue. That is a coaching issue and an issue of Joe and Royce not being good enough to adapt.

He pushes like three guys out of roles on defense that they are better suited for. He kills any defensive matchup versatility. That isn't a Mike problem per se... but more a front office issue. Instead of everyone having adequate size or above average size we are at a size disadvantage.

Mike also has no chemistry with Rudy... Joe does... if Mike is out there just spacing the floor it isn't the best use of his talents. He doesn't seem to get separation either, so he's not creating a ton of looks for himself or others.

It doesn't work... regardless of what the coaches do. Joe and Royce aren't the "borderline all-stars" … it is Mike that should be good enough to adapt... and he has not been.

 

[LoPo]

Has nothing to do with stupid ASG selections.

Teams are going small and The Jazz have no answers - and the fact that they have no answer is killing their confidence as a team and causing them to get frustrated which translates to you and me as a lack of effort.

The whole defense is predicated on the fact that "Rudy has your back." When that doesn't happen the system collapses like a house of cards.

Not sure what the answer is, maybe modified zone when teams go small, but the ship is taking on water here.

I agree.

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[David Ginola 14]

Dude went at the team hard... and when I say he went at the team... he went at them all. His last couple paragraphs on DL/JZ were especially pertinent imo. With how bad a fit Green and Davis were how did we think that would work? As a couch GM I knew the stuff I'd watched and raw numbers, but didn't realize how small Davis was, how he can't protect the rim much, and how he's basically a walking turnover in the pick and roll. Our GMs should know that... Green was a m

inimum guy and we needed a guy so whatevs.

Go read his article... he deserves your clicks... good job andy (not sure he has an account here anymore or I'd send it to his handle.)​

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/02/25/jazz-suns-analysis-by/

please, can someone copy the article and put it here? in Italy I can't read The Salt Lake Tribune ..

 

[Mongoose]

Because almost none of the issues last night can be attributed to Conley. The only real issue I see with Conley, other than his up and down play, is that he pushes Royce and Joe out of the roles they were successful in. Now once again, that is not a Mike issue. That is a coaching issue and an issue of Joe and Royce not being good enough to adapt.

Holy... None of the issues are related to Mike? He certainly has not been part of any solutions... He has sucked all year!!!! He is the highest paid player!!!! How come he cannot be good enough to adapt!!!! Why would you expect that from everyone but Mike? Did you read the comment from nateboz that I quoted? So is mike not a team leader that can answer tough questions about where the team is and why they are struggling? The media tells us that hes a great locker room guy and that hes such a great dude and he oozes leadership yada yada....

If he was anywhere near the kind of leader this team needed him to be to get a deep playoff run he would be the guy staring down these questions. He would not be the guy missing half the year, sitting out back to back games, never answering to the media, and playing like ***. So far Mike is a huge fraud and we got swindled by the Grizzlies. If i was getting paid 30M a year I'd want to be answering to Beer because then I can point the finger at the role players and coaching staff.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We don't have the gritty guys anymore... we need more toughness... Last night Oubre dunked around Gobert… then flexed and did some stupid *** head nod in his face. He then laughed and pranced around the court like he was a 4 year old in disneyland and just got his ****ing mickey ears...

Rudy did nothing... his teammates did nothing... we didn't even make the ****ing technical... Not saying Jae would have shoved him, but he'd have said something. Even Favs would occasionally just be like "hell no I'm not having it" and shove some fools. We don't have that. Even Ricky would get under people's skin... not like Jae, but he wasn't afraid of confrontation.

We are too nice.. we helping dudes up and are afraid of confrontation... I would go get Joakim Noah if he's healthy. That ************* showed more willingness to compete and be confrontational in a pickup game this summer than we showed last night (the infamous Devin Booker no double teams out here clip from the summer). We need a loud energetic *******... he seems to check a lot of boxes.

 

[nateboz]

Because almost none of the issues last night can be attributed to Conley. The only real issue I see with Conley, other than his up and down play, is that he pushes Royce and Joe out of the roles they were successful in. Now once again, that is not a Mike issue. That is a coaching issue and an issue of Joe and Royce not being good enough to adapt.

He had 3 fouls in about 10 minutes. He was a huge issue.

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[Mongoose]

Because almost none of the issues last night can be attributed to Conley. The only real issue I see with Conley, other than his up and down play, is that he pushes Royce and Joe out of the roles they were successful in. Now once again, that is not a Mike issue. That is a coaching issue and an issue of Joe and Royce not being good enough to adapt.

If every time I worked with a guy my job got harder and he got paid twice as much as me, I'd have an issue with that.

 

[Beer]

He pushes like three guys out of roles on defense that they are better suited for. He kills any defensive matchup versatility. That isn't a Mike problem per se... but more a front office issue. Instead of everyone having adequate size or above average size we are at a size disadvantage.


Mike also has no chemistry with Rudy... Joe does... if Mike is out there just spacing the floor it isn't the best use of his talents. He doesn't seem to get separation either, so he's not creating a ton of looks for himself or others.

It doesn't work... regardless of what the coaches do. Joe and Royce aren't the "borderline all-stars" … it is Mike that should be good enough to adapt... and he has not been.

I generally agree with this. But once again, that is on Quin to get players playing with the right lineups and putting players in positions they succeed the most. Thats not Mikes fault. No reason to blame him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I generally agree with this. But once again, that is on Quin to get players playing with the right lineups and putting players in positions they succeed the most. Thats not Mikes fault. No reason to blame him.

there is a blame pie... mike gets a slice... but it is smaller than the slice I'd give Quin and the front office. Mike is an easy target here.

From my perspective I see Mike as the guy who has been least effective on offense of our top 7 guys... except Royce. Royce is out there for defense and honestly has played his offensive role pretty well. Mike doesn't give us much on defense and some nights is an outright liability. He wasn't good last night but none of our guys on defense were good. So Mike definitely gets some big picture blame pie. He's not played up to his standards (for whatever reason)... he needs to play better.

 

[Beer]

Holy... None of the issues are related to Mike? He certainly has not been part of any solutions... He has sucked all year!!!! He is the highest paid player!!!! How come he cannot be good enough to adapt!!!! Why would you expect that from everyone but Mike? Did you read the comment from nateboz that I quoted? So is mike not a team leader that can answer tough questions about where the team is and why they are struggling? The media tells us that hes a great locker room guy and that hes such a great dude and he oozes leadership yada yada....

If he was anywhere near the kind of leader this team needed him to be to get a deep playoff run he would be the guy staring down these questions. He would not be the guy missing half the year, sitting out back to back games, never answering to the media, and playing like ***. So far Mike is a huge fraud and we got swindled by the Grizzlies. If i was getting paid 30M a year I'd want to be answering to Beer because then I can point the finger at the role players and coaching staff.

I'm talking about everyone on the team losing their man on D, rotations being slow or non-existent, Rudy playing at about 70% energy since he got the AS nod, Don just playing god awful in every aspect (sans last night), Bogey shooting terribly the last month, Royce and Joe not being able to throw it in the ocean even on wide wide open 3's.

I get it, he's been a disappointment for sure. But he isn't causing all these problems all the sudden. He is a problem and he does cause problems, but the Jazz weren't going anywhere without him playing at a very high level so its worth a shot to try and force him in and hope they can figure stuff out. IMO at least.

 

[Deleted member 95]

please, can someone copy the article and put it here? in Italy I can't read The Salt Lake Tribune ..

I'll pm you