April 2017 LDS General Conference thread
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The Thriller
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I thought Elder Renlund's talk in the Saturday Morning session has been by far the most impactful so far. Speaking against the hatred and bigotry celebrated by so many, including our current occupant of the White House, is one controversial move. Yet, I don't think he could've stated the church's position on bans, walls, and refugees more clearly. Especially when he brought up the church's history of being bruised and battered homeless refugees.
Seeing how so many in this state have acted deplorably recently at town halls and Homeless relocations, a well needed talk. Let's hope people put his words to action.
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Seeing how so many in this state have acted deplorably recently at town halls and Homeless relocations, a well needed talk. Let's hope people put his words to action.
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♪alt13
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Does SLC really need to shutdown the section of North Temple between the conference center and the Temple for this?
We seem to be able to get people in and out of Jazz games and Utah football games, some of whom are drunk, at night without shutting down a major road. It just seems to be unnecessary.
We seem to be able to get people in and out of Jazz games and Utah football games, some of whom are drunk, at night without shutting down a major road. It just seems to be unnecessary.
The Thriller
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I am pretty sure that was done to clear the area of protestors who would yell and scream at members attending conference. I'm sure they converted lots of Mormons from practicing Mormonism with all of their screams and insults...
My favorite thing about being insulted that I am going to hell is to simply tell them that I will see them there. Usually shuts them right up.
♪alt13
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They didn't shut down the sidewalk. I've never seen one of those protesters standing in traffic.
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This happens every now and then. They score tickets and feel like they will convince the all-mighty God to change his eternal doctrines by yelling in the meeting. I never understood that.
It's been a fairly consistent trend during GC sustaining a for the past 3-4 years. There was initially a group of people who were getting some minor publicity for planning this as nobody really would oppose since ~40 years ago.
Just from watching on TV I think it was just during the sustaining of Pres. Monson and maybe also the apostles. I couldn't tell how many people shouted "no" but it sounded like probably just a couple. Seems like that happens fairly frequently these days. Pres. Uchtdorf didn't respond until the end of all the sustainings, then directed people who had issues to talk to their local stake presidents.
I thought Elder Holland's talk yesterday was pretty powerful. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/04/media/session_2_talk_7/5381786756001?lang=eng. There are too many people that conflate doctrine with culture and as a result we end up with somewhat of a cookie-cutter mentality.
I also liked Yoon Hwan Choi's talk today. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/04/media/session_4_talk_6/5382453542001?lang=eng
I also liked Yoon Hwan Choi's talk today. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/04/media/session_4_talk_6/5382453542001?lang=eng
Prior to serving a mission I had never really watched conference. I mean, it was often turned on as a kid while we were doing other things but I never really watched conference in its entirety. On my mission I really enjoyed it and have always watched it since. I've never understood (not in a judgmental way) why a good percentage of active people don't watch it or do other things. It's one of the best things in the church and I'd much prefer it to the 3-hour block which people seem to have no problem with.
Anyway, I was surprised by 5 temple announcements. A number of years ago there was a huge backlog of announced temples and they went quite a while without announcing any, and then when they did, would do so sparsely and not as frequently. The announcement for Nairobi was one of the last remaining where there was at least a decent sized membership on a part of a continent that had no real access to a temple.
Anyway, I was surprised by 5 temple announcements. A number of years ago there was a huge backlog of announced temples and they went quite a while without announcing any, and then when they did, would do so sparsely and not as frequently. The announcement for Nairobi was one of the last remaining where there was at least a decent sized membership on a part of a continent that had no real access to a temple.
jimmy eat jazz
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I strongly suspect you're overstating/imagining this, as I seriously doubt that protesters are that easily cowed. Sounds a bit like back in my missionary days we had various faith promoting rumors of how missionaries shut up this and that adversary by rebuking them in the name of Jesus Christ.
jimmy eat jazz
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Perhaps it just has more to do with exercising one's voice in an organization well-known for top down authoritarian 'rule' and where requests for public approval are little more than pro forma, going through the motion charades with no pretense of taking any objections seriously in any case and where few (if any)official channels exist for rank and file to express views/concerns etc. to upper level management.
jimmy eat jazz
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I would note that in my experience a primary reason why members conflate culture with doctrine is because the church leaders do a poor job clarifying the difference for the members. After 40 years in the church as an active member, I couldn't even tell the difference between the two. Part of the problem as well is that even in their talks to the membership, church leaders often times present what are arguably cultural aspects of the church as doctrine of the church. My guess is that if you took a random sample of active church members with decades of membership in the church and quiz them on what is culture and what is doctrine, you would find a pretty wide diversity of opinion. So I do not know if it was Holland intention to place most of the blame for this on the membership, I did not read the talk so I can't comment on the specifics, but if this was the case, then I think he is placing too much of the blame on the membership when much of it needs to be attributed to the leadership.
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In other words, nothing to do with religion. Gotcha.
Off the top of my head, I enjoyed Elder Bednar's talk as an example of clarifying something he has noticed many people do not understand correctly. There were a few others but I'll listen again over the next while to them and review my notes.
Most likely this thread will be long gone by the time I post again. I have noticed that overall, each year I enjoy and find more talks to be relevant to my life and that my appreciation for them is much greater than it has been in the past. If I want to I can generally find topics, explanations, and material that is useful to me.
Most likely this thread will be long gone by the time I post again. I have noticed that overall, each year I enjoy and find more talks to be relevant to my life and that my appreciation for them is much greater than it has been in the past. If I want to I can generally find topics, explanations, and material that is useful to me.
You should watch the talk, I gave a link to it above. I'd be interested in your reaction. To me it came off as being to both church members and leaders.