Calexit

[LogGrad98]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/californians-might-vote-2018-taking-223200544.html

Yes California Independence Campaign, a fringe political group that calls for the state to become an independent nation, filed a proposed ballot measure with the Attorney General's Office on November 21, The Sacramento Bee reports.

If it garners the half a million signatures required to appear on the 2018 gubernatorial ballot, the measure would strike language from the state constitution that would help clear a path to secession.

In 2015, Marinelli paid $200 each to get nine initiatives related to secession on a statewide ballot, according to The Los Angeles Times. None garnered the nearly 400,000 signatures necessary to appear on the ballot. So Marinelli and his followers were forced to start over.

The difference this time is that Trump is headed to the White House, Marinelli said.

"I think that we've seen — in my lifetime — a gradual, but steady deterioration of the system and the health of the republic, basically. I think that at one point or another, it's going to crumble," Marinelli said. "I think a lot of Californians just came to that realization."

Marinelli warns that if the American public could vote a controversial nominee such as Trump into office, the presidential candidates who follow will push the envelope again.

"Who are they going to elect next time? I think the people in California would certainly not like to find out, personally," Marinelli said. "So, let's get out of that system so we can elect fair-minded, rational politicians to office."

What do you think he means by rational and fair-minded? Keep in mind that this movement was going on during Obama's presidency, it is just gaining traction now because the democratic candidate didn't win this year's election, but the movement started before Trump for President was even a thing.

 

[Gameface]

Does the federal government let that happen? When the south tried to do it we ended up fighting a war to stop them.

 

[The Midnight]

Why would the govt. let it happen? All the tech company pay a **** load of taxes. They would be stupid to not at least try to stop it from happening somehow.

 

[MVP]

How about free will? If people of California want independent state and vote for it, so be it. Isn't it what democracy is all about?

 

[Stoked]

Also calls for a new nation called Cascadia. parts of Alaska, Canada, WA, ID, OR and CA. Basically the northwest of the continent.

No way either happens. It'll be war as GF stated.

 

[♪alt13]

They better start building a ton of desalinization plants.

 

[Eminence]

Go for it Cali.

 

[LogGrad98]

Does the federal government let that happen? When the south tried to do it we ended up fighting a war to stop them.

In the article they explain how hard it is. It is very tough. It involves changing the California constitution, then all the other 49 states have to ratify it. Even one "no" vote is enough to stop it. It's a very very big deal, and frankly highly unlikely.

 

[NAOS]

Why would the govt. let it happen? All the tech company pay a **** load of taxes. They would be stupid to not at least try to stop it from happening somehow.

California's value goes considerably beyond tech, btw.

 

[♪alt13]

California's value goes considerably beyond tech, btw.

A ton of its value comes from Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado via the river. I can't see anyway California could secede without those states going with her. The winners if Cali seceded would be those states plus Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, and the Colorado river basin ecosystem. The losers would be LA and the California agg industry.

 

[NAOS]

A ton of its value comes from Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado via the river. I can't see anyway California could secede without those states going with her. The winners if Cali seceded would be those states plus Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, and the Colorado river basin ecosystem. The losers would be LA and the California agg industry.

I'm not even going to take succession seriously. I think it's clearly an opportunistic movement for a little political spotlight.

 

[Siro]

The federal government wouldn't allow secession even if California voted for it. I also don't get the idea that a state seceding would cut them off from the rest of the country. They can still have their agreements with other states/countries over water and what have you. This is similar to comments about how ****ed the rest of the US would be if the South seceded. How so? They would still have their agg companies that grow crops and sell to others.

 

[♪alt13]

I'm not even going to take succession seriously. I think it's clearly an opportunistic movement for a little political spotlight.

For sure but I have heard this bs idea for a long time. The idea that California gets a bum deal or that it would be better off as a separate nation is insane. I realize that secession won't happen. I just couldn't help but point out that it would be a bad idea if it could happen.

 

[fgcamel]

What would be the implications for team USA?

 

[♪alt13]

The federal government wouldn't allow secession even if California voted for it. I also don't get the idea that a state seceding would cut them off from the rest of the country. They can still have their agreements with other states/countries over water and what have you. This is similar to comments about how ****ed the rest of the US would be if the South seceded. How so? They would still have their agg companies that grow crops and sell to others.

We send way more water to Cali than is required under the Colorado river compact. So even if that compact held up California would get much less CR water. I don't think it would hold up for 2 reasons 1) technically the US Congress has authority and could step in if it wanted to right now 2) Us states don't have the authority to make treaties with foreign governments. A treaty would likely need to be negotiated with the US.

I imagine they probably wouldn't get a much better deal than Mexico did from a likely vindictive US congress.

 

[candrew]

Great - now we gotta build two walls.

 

[Boris]

Can we export all Californians? Border wall! Border wall! Border wall!

 

[8]

I'm interested to see from whom California borrows money