California Fires

[babe]

I spend a lot of my time in California. Here is news that strikes home.

Consider this: In my business some resorts have extended open invitations for me stay at their resort, gratis. I get recommendations from people I have worked with. Now, I'm seeing some of my friends burned out. It's heartbreaking. Seeing familiar places in flames.

Glass Fire: Calistoga residents ordered to evacuate as fire continues to grow out of control

Fire officials are asking residents in parts of Santa Rosa and Calistoga to evacuate.

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Pelosi's pawn Gavin has been a terrible governor for these people. Driving around these woods, for years I've seen road ads declaring "Governor: Graze it, Log it, or Watch it Burn." He won't listen.

whether global warming or anti-American policies have logic and reason or not, whatever else you think, you need to take care of your own back yard. California policies prevent landowners from doing the firebreaks they need.

 

[zyzz]

It's far more complicated than you're making it out to be... The following quotes are just scratching the surface. So many private owners, federal, state, and local agencies oversee these forests and lands. This "Pelosi's pawn" talk just seems conspiratorial and isn't constructive at all.

When Trump met California officials this week for a briefing on the wildfires, CalFire director Thomas Porter showed him a map of California’s fires, most of which were located on territory the map colored green.

“All of the green," Porter told him, "is federal lands.”

As residents of the region know well, huge swaths of the American West are federally owned. Nearly 60 percent of the forests in California, 25 percent of the forests in Oregon, and 44 percent in Washington are national forests. For the most part, the forests burning across the West—the fires the president blames on state officials—are on federal lands.

The problem, in part, is that until recently, the Forest Service had no way to increase its funding in bad fire years, so unanticipated costs of firefighting had to come out of funds originally set aside for other priorities, like land management. This same report noted that in 1995, firefighting made up 16 percent of the Forest Service’s annual appropriated budget; in 2020, for the first time, firefighting constituted a majority of the Forest Service’s annual budget.

Along with this shift in resources, there has also been a corresponding shift in staff, with a 39 percent reduction in all staff other than firefighting personnel. As a result, the agency was forced to redirect dollars and staff focused on measures that could reduce the risk of fires by improving forest health. The more money spent on fighting fires, the less was available to prevent them—clearly a “robbing Peter to pay Paul” scenario. Were this problem left unchecked, Forest Service would be devoting more than two-thirds of its budget to firefighting in 2025.

The question of who is to blame has been a touchy one, particularly since President Donald Trump heaped blame for the fires on “mismanagement” by California officials and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke called out “radical environmental groups” that he said “would rather burn down the entire forest than cut a single tree or thin the forest.”

The irony is that 57 percent of California’s 33 million acres of forest are controlled by the federal government. And even the timber industry, which Trump’s team appears to be trying to support, has slammed the U.S. for investing far too little in the priceless wild space.

Of the 33 million acres of forest in California, roughly 57% is owned and managed by the U.S. Forest Service or federal Bureau of Land Management, according to a report by the state’s Little Hoover Commission. State and local governments control only 3%, while the rest is private.

“The state cannot require the federal government to manage its forests,” the commission wrote.

The problem, in part, is that until recently, the Forest Service had no way to increase its funding in bad fire years, so unanticipated costs of firefighting had to come out of funds originally set aside for other priorities, like land management.

California’s 2020 wildfires aren’t simply a product of overgrown forests.

The major fires that started in August were ignited in a wide array of habitats — grasslands and scrubby chaparral, as well as forests lush with trees — on private and public lands.

 

[fishonjazz]

Glad someone came in here with some facts

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[babe]

It's far more complicated than you're making it out to be... The following quotes are just scratching the surface. So many private owners, federal, state, and local agencies oversee these forests and lands. This "Pelosi's pawn" talk just seems conspiratorial and isn't constructive at all.

Don't be so thin skinned about rhetoric in politics in this new age of hyperbole. I believe the governor is Pelosi's nephew, and he owes his place in the sun to her smile, for whatever that's worth. That makes "pawn" a really really nice understatement.

And he has done nothing on the state level about regulations which require California property owners to go through hell and back to get a permit to take down one damn tree. That's on your California dems.

The Forest Service is deep **** swamp town and Trump, even with his "own man" at the top of the fetid pile, can do nothing. The US House is Pelosi's little swamp pool, and that goes right back to the pawn thing, estremely understated.

Dems want to use this issue, at Ca property owner expense, to burn..... in every imaginable way...... to push through more global warming crap.

One of my friends survived a fire that swept out her whole neighborhood. She told me "You can't count on anyone. You have to take care of yourself. She mows down fresh tree starts, and does a lot of "wind damage" removal in the dark of night. She also built her house out of stone, with a metal roof and metal beams. Stone exterior, cement interior.

I've got a lot of ideas on specifics things you can do with water.

 

[babe]

Glad someone came in here with some facts

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you have not known a fact in quite some while. Zzyzx iis right so far as he goes, but he's not talking ab out the restrictions on private property owners who are regulated out of the capacity to protect their homes, vineyards, or trees.

 

[babe]

It's far more complicated than you're making it out to be... The following quotes are just scratching the surface. So many private owners, federal, state, and local agencies oversee these forests and lands. This "Pelosi's pawn" talk just seems conspiratorial and isn't constructive at all.

The August firestorm was primarily lightning causes. The recent Glass incident fire is not. It's the presence of combustible, very dry stuff and heat, with no rain in sight. This is about as extreme as I seen in my experience. We need more grazing. Feedlot and meatpackers in the Midwest buy votes to reduce grazing in the West. Large lumber outfits in Minnesota to Georgia who own vast tracts of timber lands, buy votes to shut down logging in the West. These outfits are "cartels" like most of our major corporations, who buy government and use it to limit competition. All of them on the Flush America Down the Toilet Biden Campaign.

 

[Gameface]

Glad someone came in here with some facts

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Yeah, babe really brings it, amiright?

 

[One Brow]

I believe the governor is Pelosi's nephew, ...

You believe incorrectly. Pelosi's former brother-in-law was Newsome's uncle.

 

[LogGrad98]

It's far more complicated than you're making it out to be... The following quotes are just scratching the surface. So many private owners, federal, state, and local agencies oversee these forests and lands. This "Pelosi's pawn" talk just seems conspiratorial and isn't constructive at all.

This.

There is the impact of the total fire suppression strategy of not burning out the forests as they normally would, so it builds up an abundance of undergrowth that then fuels these massive blazes. Whereas if they worked on allowing controlled burns instead it would minimize the risks. There would still be fires every year but you wouldn't see these massive blazes as you would more or less allow nature to manage it as it had for centuries before we built houses in the middle of the forests.

 

[zyzz]

You believe incorrectly. Pelosi's former brother-in-law was Newsome's uncle.

Not even blood related or anything. Gavin Newsom's aunt was married to Nancy Pelosi's brother-in-law. And they got divorced when Gavin Newsom was 9 or 10 years old.

 

[babe]

This.

There is the impact of the total fire suppression strategy of not burning out the forests as they normally would, so it builds up an abundance of undergrowth that then fuels these massive blazes. Whereas if they worked on allowing controlled burns instead it would minimize the risks. There would still be fires every year but you wouldn't see these massive blazes as you would more or less allow nature to manage it as it had for centuries before we built houses in the middle of the forests.

I think this scenario isn't really "true".

Such a view reflects human values or political purposes for those who wish to restrict lumber production and competition. Landowners pay property taxes, and do a lot of work to keep their land productive, and the Western lumber operation could do completive pricing..

Cows reduce the undergrowth too. Some people might think Elk poop is more cool, but cows are actually very beneficial. They do a better job planting fertilized seed pods, and overall do better work than college forestry majors.

 

[LogGrad98]

Controlled burn in this sense does not mean purposely setting fires and trying to control where they burn. Rather in this sense it means allowing a fire to burn wherever it is going to go, and only protecting homes and infrastructure when needed, when the fire starts naturally.

 

[babe]

You believe incorrectly. Pelosi's former brother-in-law was Newsome's uncle.

I had no actual information behind the idea other than a comment made by someone else, which I may not have listened to very well. Still, even if there is no incestual political identity correlation, it could still be a buddy-system reality.

Just how much clout Nancy has in California's politics has not been something I researched,

"I believe" in this case is a reasoned estimate of well more than "nil" maybe almost "controlling" influence. Look at the way she runs the House. She's got more political strings to pull than any other politician alive today, for sure. I'm assuming Hillary and Obama are off the stage.

 

[One Brow]

I had no actual information behind the idea other than a comment made by someone else, which I may not have listened to very well. Still, even if there is no incestual political identity correlation, it could still be a buddy-system reality.

Absolutely. All of politics runs on buddy systems, no argument from me there.

 

[babe]

I had no actual information behind the idea other than a comment made by someone else, which I may not have listened to very well. Still, even if there is no incestual political identity correlation, it could still be a buddy-system reality.

Just how much clout Nancy has in California's politics has not been something I researched,

"I believe" in this case is a reasoned estimate of well more than "nil" maybe almost "controlling" influence. Look at the way she runs the House. She's got more political strings to pull than any other politician alive today, for sure. I'm assuming Hillary and Obama are off the stage.

OK.

Here it is.

Pelosi and Newsom families supported Pat Brown financially in political campaign. When elected, Pat Brown awarded the Squaw Valley concession to partners Pelosi and Newsom.

Flat out corruption.

Pelosi and Newsom come from the people who bought off Pat Brown and got the concession in return.

So it is a family thing.

Gavin Newsom's keeping it all in the family

As Gavin Newson becomes governor of California, he's writing a new chapter in the saga of four intertwined San Francisco families.

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[babe]

Not even blood related or anything. Gavin Newsom's aunt was married to Nancy Pelosi's brother-in-law. And they got divorced when Gavin Newsom was 9 or 10 years old.

Yah. You're really off on this. Newsam and Pelosi families are joined at the hip in CA politics from the days of Pat Brown, who gave them the Squaw Valley concession in return for setting him up as Governor.

 

[babe]

So the political attribution that links Pelosi and Newsom to the Ca l Fires stands. These politicians have refused to act to reduce the dangers because of their political indifference to local residents and their connections with globalist elites who want run the little peeps off the land.

It's not about science or reasoned management of resources, or even taking care of constituents' needs. It's about the grand vision of restoring Nature and reducing human impacts, and having a very substantial "King's Forest" holdings, vast wilderness tracts, where elites can do little outings or Safaris for their coolness.

 

[babe]

You believe incorrectly. Pelosi's former brother-in-law was Newsome's uncle.

@One Brow

So, the fact is, I was right. Maybe not genetic relation exactly, that we know of, but a long-standing several decades-long connection on the Squaw Valley partnership.