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companion poll: If we keep Jefferson, then what?

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NAOS

NAOS

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Yesterday I started a poll addressed to the crowd who wants to trade Jefferson. This is a companion poll addressed to those who want to keep him.

Ok, so Jefferson is staying... who do you start between Millsap, Jefferson, and Favors? Vote in the poll, then give your rationale in the comment field.

BTW, most of you know I'm in the TARDE JEFFERDAD crowd, so I'm paying particular attention to the arguments that explain why Millsap should be moved to the bench. I haven't seen one of those arguments hold water.

I know we've talked about this **** in multiple threads, but I just want to get a pulse on what you're thinking.

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I would start Favors and AL.
As good as Millsap is he still has a hard time guarding and scoring against the elite 6' 10" plus PFs.
He can come off the bench against any teams backup PF and cause havoc.
Team have to put starting PF back in and he gets worn out guarding both Favors or Millsap for extended minutes.
 
Should I be surprised that 6 people have voted to bench Millsap and only 1 has offered an argument?

Should I be surprised that the 1 argument is the same warmed-over, unsubstantiated stuff from years ago?
 
Thing I don't get is these fans are so concerned about Millsap and his starting job. He hasn't led his team past the first round of the playoffs yet since he has started, so what makes my man Sap worthy. Any person here should see Favors should start. Anybody. Funny we have the franchises savior on the team, yet he could, at a high risk be benched this upcoming season.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
Thing I don't get is these fans are so concerned about Millsap and his starting job. He hasn't led his team past the first round of the playoffs yet since he has started, so what makes my man Sap worthy. Any person here should see Favors should start. Anybody. Funny we have the franchises savior on the team, yet he could, at a high risk be benched this upcoming season.
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Please tell us what you've seen of Al's postseason mastery.............. (btw, you can use any year of his career as evidence)
 
NAOS said:
Please tell us what you've seen of Al's postseason mastery.............. (btw, you can use any year of his career as evidence)
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The AJSX, The Al Train?

I'd take Faves in the Sl over Sap or JDad. That's just a probable cause in my book, Naosir Jones.
 
The Jazz would be foolish to trade Al - we won't get a big in return for one year with his production and Kanter is not ready. They would be even more foolish to not start Favors this year. Sap is 6th man material.
 
slc said:
I would start Favors and AL.
As good as Millsap is he still has a hard time guarding and scoring against the elite 6' 10" plus PFs.
He can come off the bench against any teams backup PF and cause havoc.
Team have to put starting PF back in and he gets worn out guarding both Favors or Millsap for extended minutes.
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Agree.
And why is pointing out that Millsap is less effective against the big PF's in the league a tired, old argument? Millsap playing behind Boozer was fantastic. Paul was absolutely dominant. But as a starting PF, Paul has had injury problems.

Favors IS the future of the Jazz. If he becomes a dominant 4/5, the Jazz have a chance at being a contender. If not, we have ZERO chance. There is some merit to starting Favors/Millsap. But we know AL isn't going to the bench. I think the Jazz will keep Paul AND Al for the entire season, unless Millsap agrees to an extension. If the Jazz traded Al and then Paul left via free agency, all of a sudden a position of strength becomes a huge weakness. Retaining their rights means Utah would likely be able to re-sign one or the other. And it could very well be AL. I know we hate to hear that, but Paul and his uncle voiced their displeasure with the Jazz during the last round of contract negotiations, feeling disrespected. Could be Paul wants to go elsewhere or will want way too much money.
 
I think the only way Millsap should start would be at SF. I like him at SF fine. I like him better as 6th man though.

PG - Mo, Earl, Tinsley
SG - Hayward, Burks, Murphy
SF - Marvin, Demare
PF - Favors, Millsap, Evans
C - Jefferson, Kanter

Who am I missing? ..Mejri?
 
This is why Al has to go. He is a very good player, but the Jazz are a better team without him.

He is too good to bench, but not good enough to justify blocking the other guys.
 
If we keep Al and Sap I think it should be Favors and Al that start. The one advantage Al has over Sap in the starting line up is that he commands a double team. With Mo and Marvin now on the team to space the floor, and if Al is as willing to pass as he was at the end of the season, I think this helps us with spacing and well allow guys like Hayward more room to drive. Favors is great as a rebounder and put back guy when in with Al as he still is developing his Offensive game.
On the Defensive end is were we all hate on Al. With Favors in there as the Help defender along with Marvin being a good rebounder at the SF helps us to hide Al on that side of the ball. We have enough length 2-4 to cover up the Pick and Roll rotations and Al is a good post defender.
I have always thought Sap played better off the bench because he could use his multiple skill set against guys that aren't at his level. Against starting PF's he has a harder time on both sides of the ball. Al on the other had would bring pretty much the same off the bench or starting. And our better shooters well be with the starters and thats were he is the most help
 
Ben10 said:
If we keep Al and Sap I think it should be Favors and Al that start. The one advantage Al has over Sap in the starting line up is that he commands a double team. With Mo and Marvin now on the team to space the floor, and if Al is as willing to pass as he was at the end of the season, I think this helps us with spacing and well allow guys like Hayward more room to drive.
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Yes, I see your point. However, the Jazz also get more offensive balance by having AL down low and Millsap shooting from mid-range. But that's the weakest combo defensively.

I think if the Jazz want to have any shot at keeping Millsap, he has to start. But that's only the plan IF Favors is willing to start at the 5 next season. Derrick is on his rookie deal, so I think he'd be unhappy, but would also understand if you tell him he's a guaranteed starter as soon as the personnel situation can be resolved, whether that happens at the deadline or next summer. I also wonder if the Jazz would consider re-signing Jefferson if Millsap leaves. If negotiations are at an impasse, KOC might pull the trigger on a trade. He did that w/ Ronnie B. after an extension was not reached and the Jazz and his agent remained too far apart on $. And then he did what was once unthinkable when Deron was shipped out for assets. I love Millsap as a person and player. He's been the heart & soul of the team and the hardest worker. But if his uncle wants to be a hard-*** like he was last time, it's better to trade him now, when you can get value. Otherwise you risk having him just leave as an UFA and getting nothing in return.

Look at some of the contracts being tossed around: Wallace at $10M/per, Humphries reportedly having a 3/$24M offer on the table. Millsap may feel he's worth $12M instead of $10M - and maybe he could get it next summer
 
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I think Millsap should go to the bench for two reasons. Favors needs to start and because the Jazz need Millsap offense coming off the bench.
 
I don't see any scenario where Al and Sap don't start. I also don't really mind it, at least to start the year. Despite Favors' incredible progress, he's still a very unpolished offensive player. I think his development is better served starting the year on the 2nd unit so he can refine his offensive game in a more confident setting.

I also think the minutes issues are slightly overrated. Quality minutes are more important than volume minutes. Secondly, we were incredibly fortunate last year that none of our bigs got hurt for any stretch. Statistically, that's not very likely to happen again. So as long as Favors isn't the guy who gets hurt, he'll most likely get a battlefield promotion at some point.
 
billyshelby said:
I don't see any scenario where Al and Sap don't start. I also don't really mind it, at least to start the year. Despite Favors' incredible progress, he's still a very unpolished offensive player. I think his development is better served starting the year on the 2nd unit so he can refine his offensive game in a more confident setting.

I also think the minutes issues are slightly overrated. Quality minutes are more important than volume minutes. Secondly, we were incredibly fortunate last year that none of our bigs got hurt for any stretch. Statistically, that's not very likely to happen again. So as long as Favors isn't the guy who gets hurt, he'll most likely get a battlefield promotion at some point.
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This to me is the absolute worst solution. It really surpised me coming from one of the better posters on this site. Millsap and Jefferson's feelings be damned. Favors is the guy that is the future of this team in the front court. He is the guy that needs to be kept happy and developed to be the center piece of this team. One of those other guys will not be on the team in 13. That is the guy who should be the bench player. I don't think you can keep them all and have all of them be happy. The one guy I don't want pissed off is Favors.
 
Agree

gregbroncs said:
This to me is the absolute worst solution. It really surpised me coming from one of the better posters on this site. Millsap and Jefferson's feelings be damned. Favors is the guy that is the future of this team in the front court. He is the guy that needs to be kept happy and developed to be the center piece of this team. One of those other guys will not be on the team in 13. That is the guy who should be the bench player. I don't think you can keep them all and have all of them be happy. The one guy I don't want pissed off is Favors.
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+1 Make Favors happy to be on the Jazz, so we can keep him.
 
One way or the other Favors needs to have 130 to 140 before he becomes an RFA - with the majority of those minutes coming at the Center position.

Jazz need to have a much better idea of how good he can be before they park the Brinks Truck in his driveway after the 2013-14 season.

That can't happen with Jefferson on the team - they need to move him some time before October.
 
I voted to bring Millsap off the bench and start Favors and Big Al. Here's why. First, I think Millsap can handle coming off the bench better than Big Al. Meaning he (Millsap) won't get down and let it affect his play. I don't really have any evidence to back that up, but that's my uninformed opinion. Second, as skilled as he is, Millsap could give the bench something every bench needs: heart. Millsap can definitely inspire the rest of the reserves to do better. Third, as another poster mentioned, Millsap can cause havoc against the other team's backup PF. I'd be great seeing Millsap come of the bench to start the season. Given that it's a normal season with a less-compacted schedule, I think the Jazz could give this idea more of a chance than last year.
 
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