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Could healthcare premium increases affect the election?

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We got our family insurance increase over the weekend and we are going from $888/month to $1576 for a family of four under the Obamacare exchange. Other friends of mine have posted similar increases on Facebook. These increases are currently being rolled out in the 39 states that participate in the federal insurance exchange. The republican healthcare platform promises to work from day one on repealing Obamacare.

Could this issue possibly hand the election to republicans in tight races? The timing is pretty bad for the dems. Could Obamacare be repealed by congress even under Clinton?
 
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We got our family insurance increase over the weekend and we are going from $888/month to $1576 for a family of four under the Obamacare exchange. Other friends of mine have posted similar increases on Facebook. My wife has been in the healthcare insurance industry for 30 years so this is no surprise to us. I bet most people are pretty shocked/dismayed/pissed over this.

Could this issue hand the election to Trump? Could Obamacare be repealed by congress even under Clinton?

I really can't understand premiums like that. I don't pay anywhere close to that. Not even comparable. And my premiums can only go up 10% next year.

Do you have an option to go with an HSA?
 
I really can't understand premiums like that. I don't pay anywhere close to that. Not even comparable. And my premiums can only go up 10% next year.

Do you have an option to go with an HSA?

I edited my post to reflect that this issue could affect the tight races for congress, including the Presidency.

You are probably on a subsidized plan through your work where for us the federal healthcare marketplace(Obamacare) was cheaper than my wife's subsidized plan through her work. We are going to now switch to her works health plan.

As my wife explained it to me these increases will have the biggest effect on self-employed high earners and large companies with over 50 employees on their plan. Companies who elect not to offer health insurance will have a $3000/employee penalty.
 
Obama Administration came out and said a few days ago to expect healthcare premiums through healthcare.gov to increase by double digit percentages. Hard to understand, but I think the chances of it getting repealed for anything other than a single payer system are slim.

If only people could've predicted this...
 
I really can't understand premiums like that. I don't pay anywhere close to that. Not even comparable. And my premiums can only go up 10% next year.

Do you have an option to go with an HSA?

How is it that they can only go up 10%?
 
Are people really still so clueless as to think healthcare premium increases are not linked to increased life expectancy plus booming value of service? Unfortunately yes.
 
Are people really still so clueless as to think healthcare premium increases are not linked to increased life expectancy plus booming value of service? Unfortunately yes.

Maybe if you're talking about long-term trends. But this recent spike is a directly related to Obamacare's cracking.
 
Union contract possibly? (I work with gameface and I don't know the answer)

Yeah, under the current contract it can only go up 10% this year and next, but there is not a limit in 2018 and the increase will take effect before the next CBA, so I guess we should brace for impact in 2018.
 
Maybe if you're talking about long-term trends. But this recent spike is a directly related to Obamacare's cracking.

Sounds like Mission Accomplished. We all new from the get go that this was a program designed to fail and set the stage for the next program.
 
Sounds like Mission Accomplished. We all new from the get go that this was a program designed to fail and set the stage for the next program.

Bring on single payer! I'm primed and ready.
 
Sounds like Mission Accomplished. We all new from the get go that this was a program designed to fail and set the stage for the next program.

Where do you think we're heading? I'm thinking something like the Swiss system where everyone is forced to buy insurance, while the insurance/healthcare industries are more heavily restricted?
 
Where do you think we're heading? I'm thinking something like the Swiss system where everyone is forced to buy insurance, while the insurance/healthcare industries are more heavily restricted?

One Brow posted a few years ago that we will see a German style system where the government contracts out single payer to private insurance industries. I don't know if that is how Germany actually operates but he's always thorough so I take his word for it. I think that model would be an easier sell to the capitalist republicans and would more than pacify the democrats. It's still market based (rolls eyes) and covers everybody.

Single payer could be a boon for our economy. I wonder what the conservative pundits would blame then.
 
One Brow posted a few years ago that we will see a German style system where the government contracts out single payer to private insurance industries. I don't know if that is how Germany actually operates but he's always thorough so I take his word for it. I think that model would be an easier sell to the capitalist republicans and would more than pacify the democrats. It's still market based (rolls eyes) and covers everybody.

Single payer could be a boon for our economy. I wonder what the conservative pundits would blame then.

Too big a step. I don't see it happening in the near future. Here's wikipedia's description of the Swiss system:

Swiss are required to purchase basic health insurance, which covers a range of treatments detailed in the Swiss Federal Law on Health Insurance (German: Krankenversicherungsgesetz (KVG); French: la loi fédérale sur l’assurance-maladie (LAMal); Italian: legge federale sull’assicurazione malattie (LAMal)). It is therefore the same throughout the country and avoids double standards in healthcare. Insurers are required to offer this basic insurance to everyone, regardless of age or medical condition. They are not allowed to make a profit off this basic insurance, but can on supplemental plans.[3]

The insured person pays the insurance premium for the basic plan up to 8% of their personal income. If a premium is higher than this, the government gives the insured person a cash subsidy to pay for any additional premium.[3]

The universal compulsory coverage provides for treatment in case of illness or accident (unless another accident insurance provides the cover) and pregnancy.

Health insurance covers the costs of medical treatment and hospitalization of the insured. However, the insured person pays part of the cost of treatment. This is done by these ways:

by means of an annual excess (or deductible, called the franchise), which ranges from CHF 300 (PPP-adjusted US$ 184) to a maximum of CHF 2,500 (PPP-adjusted $1,534) for an adult as chosen by the insured person (premiums are adjusted accordingly);
and by a charge of 10% of the costs over and above the excess. This is known as the retention, and is up to a maximum of 700CHF (PPP-adjusted $429) per year.
In case of pregnancy, there is no charge. For hospitalisation, one pays a contribution to room and service costs.

Insurance premiums vary from insurance company to company (health insurance funds; German: Krankenkassen; French: caisses-maladie; Italian: casse malati), the excess level chosen (franchise), the place of residence of the insured person and the degree of supplementary benefit coverage chosen (complementary medicine, routine dental care, half-private or private ward hospitalisation, etc.).

In 2014, the average monthly compulsory basic health insurance premiums (with accident insurance) in Switzerland are the following:[12]

CHF 396.12 (PPP-adjusted US$ 243) for an adult (age 26+)
CHF 363.55 (PPP-adjusted $223) for a young adult (age 19–25)
CHF 91.52 (PPP-adjusted $56.14) for a child (age 0–18)

So the insurance companies are compelled to accept all applicants, and the public is compelled to buy insurance. The government caps how much a person pays, and subsidizes the rest. So it is similar to how ACA works, but with two major differences; the insurance companies practices and profits are much more heavily regulated, and the consumer cannot get out of paying insurance by paying a relatively small fine.
 
Y'all gotta nuke and start from scratch

There is no need. ACA's biggest failure is that it is only a half-measure. People should be fined an amount equal to health insurance costs for a year if they fail to buy insurance (which premiums would be capped). Currently, the law is garbage. Insurance profits aren't seriously regulated. People can get out of buying insurance. The premiums aren't capped. It's like a skeletal framework for an actually useful policy.
 
Y'all gotta nuke and start from scratch

But the Democrats won't do that, and the Republican health care plan seems to consist of bad-mouthing ACA with no alternative offered. I would hate to see ACA completely abolished, and I think people would be unpleasantly surprised when they had to start paying their share of cancer screenings and other preventative items, not getting insurance due to pre-existing conditions, having to get their own insurance as soon as they are out of school, and all the other benefits that everyone has been getting even if they aren't on the exchange.
 
I think one thing that could be a compromise between the conservatives and the liberals would be government funded health savings accounts. That would be my guess for the next thing.
 
Too big a step. I don't see it happening in the near future.

I'm not so sure. It could be sold as sort of an expansion of medicare, "a program already in place for tens of millions of Americans. Chances are, you either are on the program or know several people who benefit from it every single day". Yada, yada, yada. Expanding Medicare would garner a ton of support from the boomer demographic. I work with a ton who want this handout. They claim you shouldn't be tied to a job over medical insurance, but what they really mean is "I want to retire so pay for my health insurance".

Medicare and the Swiss model are based on the same premise that a basic package is there and then you get supplement if you want to pay for it. Going to single payer Medicare could also be sold as "allow dem insurance cross state lines" to appease the free market crowd. Speaking of, isn't it funny that the state's rights demographic tend to be the ones spouting that one off?
 
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