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Final nail into coffin of homeopathy?

MVP

MVP

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About damn time. All homeopathic drugs will now have to come with a label clearly explaining that “there is no scientific evidence that the product works and [that] the product’s claims are based only on theories of homeopathy from the 1700s that are not accepted by most modern medical experts.”

While this doesn’t mean that pharmacies will be required to stop selling homeopathic products, it should at least ensure that less consumers are duped into using them.

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/do...opathic_drug_enforcement_policy_statement.pdf
 
MVP said:
About damn time. All homeopathic drugs will now have to come with a label clearly explaining that “there is no scientific evidence that the product works and [that] the product’s claims are based only on theories of homeopathy from the 1700s that are not accepted by most modern medical experts.”

While this doesn’t mean that pharmacies will be required to stop selling homeopathic products, it should at least ensure that less consumers are duped into using them.

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/do...opathic_drug_enforcement_policy_statement.pdf
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You think us people using this method do not know already? To bad you can not patent natural compounds or they would do clinical trials an prove what everyone knows is true. the government tried to step in an fund research in the 80's but big pharma lobby stopped it. Maybe Trump can fix this to.
 
Boris said:
You think us people using this method do not know already?
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Sorry but by us what do you mean? United States or "us" as people who are using homeopathy knowing it does not work? Then excuse me but why would they keep using it if they know it does not work? Seems kind of stupid.
 
I'm sorry but you're wrong. I know that the Gerson Therapy, vitamin C megadoses and coffee enemas cured my cancer. It had nothing to do with surgeries and chemo and proton therapy. Duh.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I'm sorry but you're wrong. I know that the Gerson Therapy, vitamin C megadoses and coffee enemas cured my cancer.
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This has nothing to do with homeopathy. Duh.
And Gerson therapy does not work either - been studied and documented to have no effects and in fact is dangerous and killed numerous people who could have lived longer. Coffee enemas alone killed 3 people. So maybe your success was Vit C related only.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I'm sorry but you're wrong. I know that the Gerson Therapy, vitamin C megadoses and coffee enemas cured my cancer. It had nothing to do with surgeries and chemo and proton therapy. Duh.
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Sarcasm, no?
 
MVP said:
This has nothing to do with homeopathy. Duh.
And Gerson therapy does not work either - been studied and documented to have no effects and in fact is dangerous and killed numerous people who could have lived longer. Coffee enemas alone killed 3 people. So maybe your success was Vit C related only.
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So you know homeopathy is fake but you still think vitamin megadoses might do something positive for you? You're buying selective hype my friend.
 
Seriously though, I was absolutely bombarded with homeopathic cancer remedies from well-meaning friends and acquaintances during my cancer treatment. I learned a TON about nutrition and all of this kind of crap. I learned enough to know that boris the animal again has a point. There are a lot of herbal"remedies"that we would do well to study but aren't generally big ticket enough for big pharma to go after, but still enough for them to lobby to suppress. In Germany we found 3 medications that really helped my son with his epilepsy and relayed issues that were banned by the FDA,and upon further research I found out that pharmaceutical lobbyists had played a large role in that with at least one of the drugs because it was plentiful, cheap, and very effective, but not highly profitable. So they squashed attempts to bring it here so they can continue to charge us $500 power month for a drug that is marginally more effective than a placebo because it is about the only thing that works. Lots of corruption in that industry.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So you know homeopathy is fake but you still think vitamin megadoses might do something positive for you? You're buying selective hype my friend.
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Ok, my sarcasm detector is not the best I must admit, you got me there. But Vit C antioxidative and beneficial effect was studied, documented and proven. Granted I have never heard of it being effective against cancer, but it was the only thing you mentioned in your post which had at least some medical effect.
P.S. I am really glad you did not do coffee enemas man...
 
LogGrad98 said:
But MVP went right for it then admitted he has no knowledge of nutrition when he bit on the vitamin megadose piece. Heh.
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My problem was that I tried to make sense of your joke post and gave benefit of the doubt to Vit C. For you to say I have no knowledge of nutrition is a bit of a stretch based on that only - don't you think so?
 
Yes vitamin C is am antioxidant. No megadoses of vitamin C do not make you healthier. Studies have also shown that anything more than about 100 mg of vitamin C just gets flushed out of your system anyway.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Seriously though, I was absolutely bombarded with homeopathic cancer remedies from well-meaning friends and acquaintances during my cancer treatment. I learned a TON about nutrition and all of this kind of crap. I learned enough to know that boris the animal again has a point. There are a lot of herbal"remedies"that we would do well to study but aren't generally big ticket enough for big pharma to go after, but still enough for them to lobby to suppress. In Germany we found 3 medications that really helped my son with his epilepsy and relayed issues that were banned by the FDA,and upon further research I found out that pharmaceutical lobbyists had played a large role in that with at least one of the drugs because it was plentiful, cheap, and very effective, but not highly profitable. So they squashed attempts to bring it here so they can continue to charge us $500 power month for a drug that is marginally more effective than a placebo because it is about the only thing that works. Lots of corruption in that industry.
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Boris been telling people for years that getting stung by a wasp cures cancer. They tell me I a crazy. Now scientists isolated the compound from a Brazilian wasps venom that attacks only cancerous cells.

You know what cures most the worlds diseases? Penicillin. You know where that came from? Moldy bread.

Natural remedies are out there it is basic evolution an survival of the fittest. Things survive cause they can kill stuff some way some how.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yes vitamin C is am antioxidant. No megadoses of vitamin C do not make you healthier. Studies have also shown that anything more than about 100 mg of vitamin C just gets flushed out of your system anyway.
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While absorption of Vit C falls down significantly after higher doses taken orally your statement is not entirely true. From US department of health and human service website:

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminC-HealthProfessional/

During the 1970s, studies by Cameron, Campbell, and Pauling suggested that high-dose vitamin C has beneficial effects on quality of life and survival time in patients with terminal cancer. However, some subsequent studies—including a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial by Moertel and colleagues at the Mayo Clinic — did not support these findings. In the Moertel study, patients with advanced colorectal cancer who received 10 g/day vitamin C fared no better than those receiving a placebo. The authors of a 2003 review assessing the effects of vitamin C in patients with advanced cancer concluded that vitamin C confers no significant mortality benefit .

Emerging research suggests that the route of vitamin C administration (intravenous vs. oral) could explain the conflicting findings. Most intervention trials, including the one conducted by Moertel and colleagues, used only oral administration, whereas Cameron and colleagues used a combination of oral and intravenous (IV) administration. Oral administration of vitamin C, even of very large doses, can raise plasma vitamin C concentrations to a maximum of only 220 micromol/L, whereas IV administration can produce plasma concentrations as high as 26,000 micromol/L. Concentrations of this magnitude are selectively cytotoxic to tumor cells in vitro. Research in mice suggests that pharmacologic doses of IV vitamin C might show promise in treating otherwise difficult-to-treat tumors . A high concentration of vitamin C may act as a pro-oxidant and generate hydrogen peroxide that has selective toxicity toward cancer cells. Based on these findings and a few case reports of patients with advanced cancers who had remarkably long survival times following administration of high-dose IV vitamin C, some researchers support reassessment of the use of high-dose IV vitamin C as a drug to treat cancer.
 
So in other words nothing conclusive that vitamin C megadoses do anything for you. And my nutritionist and doctors from 18 years ago were right.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So in other words nothing conclusive that vitamin C megadoses do anything for you. And my nutritionist and doctors from 18 years ago were right.
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No. But I read the study linked in MVP's .gov article, and the results are astounding. I am surprised no more research on intravenous Vit C dosing has been done. It's a 40 year old study ffs!
 
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