How do you feel about nike/Lebron making money off of slave labor in china?

[yamers]

but then preaching equality?

these people are full of **** sheep.

 

[candrew]

Please - LeBron does commercials for Sprite. It's well documented he has no shame.

 

[JimLes]

but then preaching equality?

these people are full of **** sheep.

Wait, so only people with impeccable personal lives can be involved in social causes?

I mean, Mandela was an awful husband and only a marginally better father.

 

[DutchJazzer]

when it comes to virtue signaling it doesnt matter.

their was literally a football player who is an accesoray to killing a black man in 1999 kneeling during the anthem!

trolololololol

 

[DutchJazzer]

Wait, so only people with impeccable personal lives can be involved in social causes?

I mean, Mandela was an awful husband and only a marginally better father.

the problem is as a business men you gotta make smart decisions.

is it better to attract 50% of the population to your product or 100% of the population!

after all do you think it makes a difference socially. i mean lebron campaigned for hillary yet she still lost ohio.
all those celebrities jumping on hillary train and still she lost.

it does seem to make a differenc ebusiness wise, as nfl, the emmies and oscars are losing viewers.
meanwhile until now the nba did not really meddle majorly in political issues and their viewership rose!

 

[Gameface]

but then preaching equality?

these people are full of **** sheep.

Link to slave labor in China?

China's quality of life, in general, has been improving significantly (other than air quality...) and that is good for all people across the world. Now India, which has absolutely horrible living conditions for huge amounts of people is starting to take some of the jobs that were going to China. Their wages will be ridiculously low, their quality of life will not meaningfully start to improve for some time, but eventually these jobs and the development of manufacturing there will help them. Then the jobs will move somewhere else, most likely. Eventually most of the world will be developed enough and have a base level of affluence high enough that more and more things will be manufactured locally by automated robotic systems.

Yay for progress.

 

[yamers]

Link to slave labor in China?

China's quality of life, in general, has been improving significantly (other than air quality...) and that is good for all people across the world. Now India, which has absolutely horrible living conditions for huge amounts of people is starting to take some of the jobs that were going to China. Their wages will be ridiculously low, their quality of life will not meaningfully start to improve for some time, but eventually these jobs and the development of manufacturing there will help them. Then the jobs will move somewhere else, most likely. Eventually most of the world will be developed enough and have a base level of affluence high enough that more and more things will be manufactured locally by automated robotic systems.

Yay for progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9ZktmrGGMU

 

[yamers]

Wait, so only people with impeccable personal lives can be involved in social causes?

I mean, Mandela was an awful husband and only a marginally better father.

so how do u preach equality when you got people making you profit for 2dollars a day?

lebron is pretty much a slave master.

 

[fishonjazz]

lebron is pretty much a slave master.

Lol

 

[LogGrad98]

Yeah the whole sweat shop thing has largely been debunked. No it does not provide an American level standard of living but it is generally much superior to the alternatives. It isn't like they are chaining people to a work table or something. Often it is the case that the downside is not to eat or to work in even worse conditions. Is it great? **** no, but it beats not eating or whatever. And is everyone in America ready for a huge price hike if they suddenly started making everything in a western country? In the end that is the real rub.

 

[yamers]

Yeah the whole sweat shop thing has largely been debunked. No it does not provide an American level standard of living but it is generally much superior to the alternatives. It isn't like they are chaining people to a work table or something. Often it is the case that the downside is not to eat or to work in even worse conditions. Is it great? **** no, but it beats not eating or whatever. And is everyone in America ready for a huge price hike if they suddenly started making everything in a western country? In the end that is the real rub.

easy to say,

I understand where you are coming from, but I've seen first hand the workers treatment. They literally get their passport taken from them and are forced to live in **** holes. You are absolutely ****ing out of your mind if you think those conditions are fine for anybody.

sure their life back home might be crappy, but you can't deny the fact we're using slave labor to make ****, and the point is that lebron is a hypocrite along with the other sheep.

 

[Gameface]

Lebron doesn't own or manage Nike. I agree with you that taking worker's passports is completely wrong. Also, indentured servitude should be eliminated worldwide. But much of that is the responsibility of the local government to criminalize and prosecute and of the international community to hold these companies to certain standard in regard to those issues.

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[Cappy_Smurf]

And is everyone in America ready for a huge price hike if they suddenly started making everything in a western country?

I agree with everything you said except this. Nike is not running on slim margins. They make ridiculous profits selling many pairs of shoes for $100 or more compared to what they cost to make. They could easily pay more for American labor and still make significant profits.

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. There are some companies that legitimately would have a hard time without cheap labor, but most of them would be fine and only choose cheap labor to increase their already significant profits.

 

[LogGrad98]

I agree with everything you said except this. Nike is not running on slim margins. They make ridiculous profits selling many pairs of shoes for $100 or more compared to what they cost to make. They could easily pay more for American labor and still make significant profits.

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. There are some companies that legitimately would have a hard time without cheap labor, but most of them would be fine and only choose cheap labor to increase their already significant profits.

It can be a pet peeve but that doesn't change the fact that if Nike suddenly were forced to make their shoes in a western country they would raise the price. They would not suddenly go "aw shucks you got us now. Here let us cut our profit margins in half now". No they would initially raise prices and accept lower sales volumes while they let the market set the price which invariably would be higher prices and somewhat lower sales.

Here is an example. Have you ever bought a quart of ice cream? Go check again. A few years back in what was basically an act of collusion most ice cream companies within a very short time frame changed a quart to .7 quart our thereabouts. They then proceeded to raise prices, on average about 11%. The really funny thing is almost no one noticed or said anything. It was a great coup for ice cream manufacturers. The same kind of thing happens whenever companies can get away with it.

No if Nike moved their entire operation to south bend Indiana or something they would just advertise the ever-living **** out of it that they are the first ones to stop using slave labor and they would bump the price 30% and probably be lauded by liberal groups everywhere while the communities they abandoned in Asia suddenly fell into even worse conditions.

There is probably a solution to the problem but it won't be easy and sure as hell won't be cheap.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I agree with everything you said except this. Nike is not running on slim margins. They make ridiculous profits selling many pairs of shoes for $100 or more compared to what they cost to make. They could easily pay more for American labor and still make significant profits.

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. There are some companies that legitimately would have a hard time without cheap labor, but most of them would be fine and only choose cheap labor to increase their already significant profits.

i do not often agree with you! but i admit i agree with you on this

 

[franklin]

Yeah the whole sweat shop thing has largely been debunked. No it does not provide an American level standard of living but it is generally much superior to the alternatives. It isn't like they are chaining people to a work table or something. Often it is the case that the downside is not to eat or to work in even worse conditions. Is it great? **** no, but it beats not eating or whatever. And is everyone in America ready for a huge price hike if they suddenly started making everything in a western country? In the end that is the real rub.

I think globalization and time are the only cures for this outside our borders. Using migrant slave labor inside our borders is something we can and should control.

I've given this example before. Tomato pickers pick 700-800 lbs of tomatoes per hour at 0.01 cent per pound, or $7-8/hr. back breaking work. We could raise their wage to 0.05 cents/lb, or $40/hr, and you wouldn't tell a difference in the price of tomatoes at the grocery store. What you would tell is a slowing down in illegal immigration, massively lower welfare costs in both healthcare and food stamps, a lower crime rate, and many more taxpayers.

I'm actually thinking of pitching this idea to Harmon's grocery. There's a greenhouse in Mona that grows tomatoes with the help of heat and CO2 pumped in from the power plant across the street. Really cool idea. Harmon's could sell this migrant worker living wage to virtually every sector of Utah - the Hispanics, the Liberals, the buy locals, and the low welfare state but charitable conservatives. "For only 0.04 cents per pound, you are..... And 100% of your 0.04 cents goes directly to help these people. No corporate overhead, no charitable gimmicks...".

 

[fishonjazz]

I think globalization and time are the only cures for this outside our borders. Using migrant slave labor inside our borders is something we can and should control.

I've given this example before. Tomato pickers pick 700-800 lbs of tomatoes per hour at 0.01 cent per pound, or $7-8/hr. back breaking work. We could raise their wage to 0.05 cents/lb, or $40/hr, and you wouldn't tell a difference in the price of tomatoes at the grocery store. What you would tell is a slowing down in illegal immigration, massively lower welfare costs in both healthcare and food stamps, a lower crime rate, and many more taxpayers.

I'm actually thinking of pitching this idea to Harmon's grocery. There's a greenhouse in Mona that grows tomatoes with the help of heat and CO2 pumped in from the power plant across the street. Really cool idea. Harmon's could sell this migrant worker living wage to virtually every sector of Utah - the Hispanics, the Liberals, the buy locals, and the low welfare state but charitable conservatives. "For only 0.04 cents per pound, you are..... And 100% of your 0.04 cents goes directly to help these people. No corporate overhead, no charitable gimmicks...".

Good ol' Mona. Burraston Ponds. Good times.