Is Millsap worth $10m a year?

[MattMan]

Brian T. Smith

”Elsewhere, Jazz forward Paul Millsap is expected to seek a new contract worth as much or more than the four-year, $40 million deal Nets forward Gerald Wallace has reportedly agreed to.

Utah General Manager Kevin O'Connor declined comment ...”

Paul could demand more, I just think it would be interesting to see if people think he's even worth the Wallace deal.

 

[green]

Not when you have Kanter and Favors.

That is why this year is so important for those two, and why Jefferson needs to go. If Favors develops into a star, and Kanter develops into a 10 million a year guy, then Millsap is not worth 10 million a year for the Jazz. If Favors flops or Kanter can't make a layup, then Millsap is worth 10 million a year. In some ways he is a steal at 10 million a year when you consider how much Boozer, Jefferson, Chandler, Ben Wallace, Noah, etc make.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think 10 a year is the max I would offer him. I think it's relatively fair if you plan to keep the future 3 rotation to Kanter/Millsap/Favors. He is still going to get around 30 mpg.

 

[jazzfan1971]

Well, if you can't trade him I guess you have to extend him. I'd rather his contract was level or declining though. Maybe 11.5, 10.5, 9.5, 8.5.

But, I wouldnt' let him walk. He's too valuable to the Jazz to just let go for nothing. We could live with him getting 10 mil as a 6th man.

 

[ultimatefrizzdude]

From what some of these teams are throwing at people yes, but obviously not if it means we can't keep someone that will be better.

 

[Brown Notes]

I think a lot of perspective could be gained in this conversation by someone more motivated than me posting a bunch of guys who suck that make over 10 mil.

 

[shadler]

Not with the new cba and the players we have to pay in the future. Sap is a BACK UP unless you plan to have him at the 3 because I am sure teams would love to put their boris diaw on him to get killed. For as much as everyone goes off on Al and his faults sap is just as every bit guilty for our D. Too bad we couldn't have traded him for the 6th pick before the deadline.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't know why you wouldn't. He's done nothing but get better EVERY single year for six years now, and he's been producing at greater than $10 million production for two years straight now.

So many people over-think stuff like this. You want good players, and good players cost money. If Millsap is seeking $10 million a year, he's low-balling himself (in the sense that the book on negotiation says to always ask for more than you think you'll get) and all of the absurd and baseless conjecture that Millsap is becoming somehow selfish can go right out the window.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Not with the new cba and the players we have to pay in the future. Sap is a BACK UP unless you plan to have him at the 3 because I am sure teams would love to put their boris diaw on him to get killed. For as much as everyone goes off on Al and his faults sap is just as every bit guilty for our D. Too bad we couldn't have traded him for the 6th pick before the deadline.

Thank you for validating my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I don't care as much about the money, as I do regarding what role he plays for this team. Favors needs to start, and in 2 years Im hoping that Kanter will be starting at the 5 as well. I am completely for paying Millsap around 10 mill per for playing 28 mpg off the bench. Question is: is he okay with that?

EDIT: The contract-extensions do get admittedly tricky for our team once the rookie contracts end; extending Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter outside of Millsap's 10 mill per would have to mean that it would be nice if we could seriously front load Millsap's contract.

 

[mellow]

Boozer 13
Dend 12
Noah 12
Hedo Turkeygoo 11
bogut 12
Lee 11
Biedreins 9
Deandre Jordan 10
Odom 9
Kevin Martin 12
Nene Hillarious 13
Okafur 12


Nice:
Scola 8.6
Andy Varajo 7.7

Yep, alot of other teams have overpaid a sub-star who was overvalued based on how he was used or perceived by the fans. Jazz should too.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Boozer 13
Dend 12
Noah 12
Hedo Turkeygoo 11
bogut 12
Lee 11
Biedreins 9

Yep, alot of other teams have overpaid a sub-star who was overvalued based on how he was used or perceived by the fans. Jazz should too.

Noah isn't overpaid.

Boozer, Turk, and Biedrings mailed it in after getting contacts.

Bogut had injures.

Lee is ok, he just can't play defense and has never been on a complete team/

Deng and Noah both play hard and produce though, so I wouldn't consider them overpaid. I think Millsap would end up falling in this category, so even if you overpay him a tad, it isn't debilitating, because you are still getting hard work and production.

 

[Dr. Jones]

seems pretty close to the right number to me .. he's worth the money, just unsure if he's a team need for any more than that.

 

[mellow]

New CBA, new rules. Paying 10 million for a guy who is overmatched in his position half the time and is not an elite defender or crunch time scorer makes no sense to me. If KOC or ya'll want to then go ahead.

 

[Brown Notes]

I think some people might be undervaluing Paul for this season's performance. His improvements weren't as easy to see aside from his steals. But Utah was so different without Sloan and Deron. Paul put up pretty much identical scoring contributions without being assisted.

10 mil is an easily justifiable number to put him at. He's really good.

 

[shadler]

OR we could use the money for some of these players


Point Guard
(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers – $17.8 million – Unrestricted
John Wall, Washington Wizards – $5.9 million – Team Option ($6.7 million)
Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors – $4.0 million – Restricted ($5.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers – $5.4 million – Team Option ($5.6 million)
Darren Collison, Indiana Pacers – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Jrue Holiday, Philadelphia 76ers – $2.7 million – Restricted ($3.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Ty Lawson, Denver Nuggets – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.6 million Qualifying Offer)
Brandon Jennings, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Ricky Rubio, Minnesota Timberwolves – $3.7 million – Team Option ($4.0 million)
Devin Harris, Utah Jazz – $8.5 million – Unrestricted
Kyle Lowry, Houston Rockets – $5.8 million – Team Option ($6.2 million)
Eric Bledsoe, L.A. Clippers – $1.7 million – Team Option ($2.6 million)
Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors – $10.6 million – Unrestricted
Brandon Knight, Detroit Pistons – $2.7 million – Team Option ($2.8 million)
Jeff Teague, Atlanta Hawks – $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Roddy Beaubois, Dallas Mavericks – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Jarrett Jack, New Orleans Hornets – $5.4 million – Unrestricted
Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks – $7.4 million – Unrestricted
Norris Cole, Miami HEAT – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Eric Maynor, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Mario Chalmers, Miami HEAT – $4.0 million – Team Option ($4.0 million)
Kemba Walker, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.5 million – Team Option ($2.6 million)
Greivis Vasquez, New Orleans Hornets – $1.2 million – Team Option ($2.2 million)
Reggie Jackson, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)
Corey Joseph, San Antonio Spurs – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Will Bynum, Detroit Pistons – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Toney Douglas, New York Knicks – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Nolan Smith, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.4 million – Team Option ($1.4 million)
Jeremy Pargo, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.0 million – Unrestricted*
Earl Watson, Utah Jazz – $2.0 million – Unrestricted
Sebastian Telfair, Phoenix Suns – $1.6 million – Unrestricted
Daniel Gibson, Cleveland Cavaliers – $4.8 million – Unrestricted
C.J. Watson, Chicago Bulls – $3.2 million – Unrestricted
Shaun Livingston, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Shelvin Mack, Washington Wizards – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Andrew Goudelock, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Shooting Guard
(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

Monta Ellis, Milwaukee Bucks – $11.0 million – Early Termination Option ($11.0 million)
Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia 76ers – $14.7 million – Early Termination Option ($15.9 million)
Tyreke Evans, Sacramento Kings – $5.3 million – Restricted ($6.9 million Qualifying Offer)
Kevin Martin, Houston Rockets – $12.4 million – Unrestricted
James Harden, Oklahoma City Thunder – $5.8 million – Restricted ($7.6 million Qualifying Offer)
DeMar DeRozan, Toronto Raptors – $3.3 million – Restricted ($4.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Evan Turner, Philadelphia 76ers – $5.2 million – Team Option ($6.7 million)
Jordan Crawford, Washington Wizards – $1.2 million – Team Option ($2.2 million)
Ben Gordon, Detroit Pistons – $12.4 million – Player Option ($13.2 million)
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs – $14.1 million – Unrestricted
MarShon Brooks, Brooklyn Nets – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.2 million)
Alec Burks, Utah Jazz – $2.1 million – Team Option ($2.2 million)
Corey Maggette, Charlotte Bobcats - $10.9 million – Unrestricted
Tony Allen, Memphis Grizzlies – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Iman Shumpert, New York Knicks – $1.6 million – Team Option ($1.7 million)
J.J. Redick, Orlando Magic – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Stephen Jackson, San Antonio Spurs – $10.1 million – Unrestricted
Mike Dunleavy, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Morrow, Brooklyn Nets – $4.0 million – Unrestricted
Daequan Cook, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.1 million – Unrestricted
Klay Thompson, Golden State Warriors – $2.2 million – Team Option ($2.3 million)
Ronnie Brewer, Chicago Bulls – $4.4 million – Unrestricted
Gerald Henderson, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Gary Neal, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Corey Brewer, Denver Nuggets – $2.7 million – Unrestricted
Gary Forbes, Toronto Raptors – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Reggie Williams, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Jimmer Fredette, Sacramento Kings – $2.3 million – Team Option ($2.4 million)
Jimmy Butler, Chicago Bulls – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Christian Eyenga, L.A. Lakers – $1.1 million – Team Option ($2.1 million)
Wayne Ellington, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Avery Bradley, Boston Celtics – $1.6 million – Team Option ($2.5 million)
Xavier Henry, New Orleans Hornets – $2.3 million – Team Option ($3.2 million)
Dominique Jones, Dallas Mavericks – $1.3 million – Team Option ($2.3 million)
Martell Webster, Minnesota Timberwolves – $5.7 million – Unrestricted
Raja Bell, Utah Jazz – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Francisco Garcia, Sacramento Kings – $6.1 million – Team Option ($6.4 million)
Lazar Hayward, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Team Option ($2.1 million)
Elliot Williams, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.4 million – Team Option ($2.4 million)
Quentin Richardson, Orlando Magic – $2.6 million – Player Option ($2.8 million)
Charles Jenkins, Golden State Warriors – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Josh Selby, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Lester Hudson, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.9 million – Unrestricted

Small Forward
(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

Josh Smith, Atlanta Hawks – $13.2 million – Unrestricted
Paul George, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Team Option ($3.3 million)
Derrick Williams, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.8 million – Team Option ($5.0 million)
Gordon Hayward, Utah Jazz – $2.9 million – Team Option ($3.8 million)
Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio Spurs – $1.8 million – Team Option ($1.9 million)
Wesley Johnson, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.3 million – Team Option ($5.4 million)
Shawn Marion, Dallas Mavericks – $8.4 million – Early Termination Option ($9.1 million)
Dorrell Wright, Golden State Warriors – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
Jan Vesely, Washington Wizards – $3.2 million – Team Option ($3.3 million)
Linas Kleiza, Toronto Raptors – $4.6 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
Richard Jefferson, Golden State Warriors – $10.2 million – Player Option ($11.1 million)
Trevor Ariza, New Orleans Hornets – $7.3 million – Player Option ($7.7 million)
James Johnson, Toronto Raptors – $2.8 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Metta World Peace, L.A. Lakers – $7.3 million – Early Termination Option ($7.7 million)
Al-Farouq Aminu, New Orleans Hornets – $2.9 million – Team Option ($3.7 million)
James Jones, Miami HEAT – $1.5 million – Player Option ($1.5 million)
Rashard Lewis, Washington Wizards – $22.7 million – Unrestricted
Markieff Morris, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Team Option ($2.1 million)
Omri Casspi, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.3 million)
Chris Singleton, Washington Wizards – $1.6 million – Team Option ($1.6 million)
Marvin Williams, Atlanta Hawks – $8.3 million – Early Termination Option ($7.5 million)
Kyle Korver, Chicago Bulls – $5.0 million – Unrestricted
Luke Babbitt, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.9 million – Team Option ($2.9 million)
Luke Walton, Cleveland Cavaliers – $5.8 million – Unrestricted
E’Twaun Moore, Boston Celtics – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Julyan Stone, Denver Nuggets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Power Forward
(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

Blake Griffin, L.A. Clippers – $7.2 million – Restricted ($9.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Taj Gibson, Chicago Bulls – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
David West, Indiana Pacers – $10.0 million – Unrestricted
DeJuan Blair, San Antonio Spurs – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Paul Millsap, Utah Jazz – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Al Jefferson, Utah Jazz – $15.0 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Favors, Utah Jazz – $4.8 million – Team Option ($6.0 million)
Tristan Thompson, Cleveland Cavaliers – $3.9 million – Team Option ($4.1 million)
Bismack Biyombo, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.9 million – Team Option ($3.0 million)
Lamar Odom, Dallas Mavericks – $8.2 million – Unrestricted
Larry Sanders, Milwaukee Bucks – $2.0 million – Team Option ($3.1 million)
Ed Davis, Toronto Raptors – $2.2 million – Team Option ($3.2 million)
Patrick Patterson, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Team Option ($3.1 million)
Trevor Booker, Washington Wizards – $1.4 million – Team Option ($2.4 million)
Austin Daye, Detroit Pistons – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Tyler Hansbrough, Indiana Pacers – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Kenneth Faried, Denver Nuggets – $1.3 million – Team Option ($1.4 million)
Marcus Morris, Houston Rockets – $1.9 million – Team Option ($2.0 million)
Tobias Harris, Milwaukee Bucks – $1.5 million – Team Option ($1.5 million)
Hakim Warrick, Phoenix Suns – $4.3 million – Team Option ($4.3 million)
Josh McRoberts, L.A. Lakers – $3.1 million – Unrestricted
Gustavo Ayon, New Orleans Hornets – $1.5 million – Team Option ($1.5 million)
Jeff Pendergraph, Indiana Pacers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ryan Gomes, L.A. Clippers – $4.0 million – Unrestricted
Dante Cunningham, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.1 million – Team Option ($2.2 million)
Charlie Villanueva, Detroit Pistons – $8.1 million – Player Option ($8.6 million)
Quincy Pondexter, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.2 million – Team Option ($2.2 million)
JaJuan Johnson, Boston Celtics – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Jordan Hamilton, Denver Nuggets – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.2 million)
Craig Smith, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Samardo Samuels, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Sean Williams, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Hamady N’Diaye, Washington Wizards – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Justin Harper, Orlando Magic – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Josh Harrellson, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Jon Leuer, Milwaukee Bucks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Center
(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic – $19.5 million – Unrestricted
Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers – $16.1 million – Unrestricted
DeMarcus Cousins, Sacramento Kings – $3.9 million – Team Option ($4.9 million)
Greg Monroe, Detroit Pistons – $3.2 million – Team Option ($4.1 million)
Samuel Dalembert, Houston Rockets – $6.7 million – Unrestricted
Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.8 million – Unrestricted*
Nikola Vucevic, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.7 million – Team Option ($1.8 million)
Ekpe Udoh, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Team Option ($4.5 million)
Emeka Okafor, New Orleans Hornets – $13.5 million – Early Termination Option ($14.5 million)
Andris Biedrins, Golden State Warriors – $9.0 million – Early Termination Option ($9.0 million)
Tiago Splitter, San Antonio Spurs – $3.9 million – Unrestricted*
Enes Kanter, Utah Jazz – $4.3 million – Team Option ($4.5 million)
Zaza Pachulia, Atlanta Hawks – $5.3 million – Unrestricted
Brad Miller, Minnesota Timberwolves – $5.1 million – Unrestricted
Kurt Thomas, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Timofey Mozgov, Denver Nuggets – $3.1 million – Unrestricted*
Kevin Seraphin, Washington Wizards – $1.8 million – Team Option ($2.8 million)
Cole Aldrich, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.4 million – Team Option ($3.2 million)
Johan Petro, Brooklyn Nets – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Dexter Pittman, Miami HEAT – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Byron Mullens, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Jon Brockman, Milwaukee Bucks – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Brandan Wright, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Jerome Jordan, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

 

[vslice02]

My original thoughts were Millsap would command a contract averaging a minimum of $8-9 million per, likely closer to $9 mil - which I would've been more than willing to pay. When you consider everything Millsap does as well as his ability to mesh in a variety of frontcourt pairings - that extra $1 million definitely isn't a deal-breaker for me.

The only way I would look to trade him this year would be if a team offers a player with significantly better talent, or a player with compareable talent still on a rookie contract. Otherwise I would hope Millsap factors into Utah's longterm plans. Even if you sign/extend Millsap for 4 yrs $40 million, his age and durability (knock on wood) is attractive enough and his salary reasonable enough that it wouldn't be difficult to move him if Favors/Kanter develop to the point that he's expendable.

 

[green]

Paul is worth 10 million. The question is, is he worth 10 million for the Jazz? We won't know with Jefferson on this team.

 

[Brown Notes]

Apparently Gerald Wallace is worth exactly 10 mil per year so there's your standard.

https://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8118981/2012-nba-free-agency-brooklyn-nets-agree-40m-deal-gerald-wallace-sources-say

 

[NAOS]

New CBA, new rules. Paying 10 million for a guy who is overmatched in his position half the time and is not an elite defender or crunch time scorer makes no sense to me. If KOC or ya'll want to then go ahead.

sarcasm or epic fail

My original thoughts were Millsap would command a contract averaging a minimum of $8-9 million per, likely closer to $9 mil - which I would've been more than willing to pay. When you consider everything Millsap does as well as his ability to mesh in a variety of frontcourt pairings - that extra $1 million definitely isn't a deal-breaker for me.

The only way I would look to trade him this year would be if a team offers a player with significantly better talent, or a player with compareable talent still on a rookie contract. Otherwise I would hope Millsap factors into Utah's longterm plans. Even if you sign/extend Millsap for 4 yrs $40 million, his age and durability (knock on wood) is attractive enough and his salary reasonable enough that it wouldn't be difficult to move him if Favors/Kanter develop to the point that he's expendable.

vslice wins as usual.