It all started with Eric Maynor

[feeko]

When the ownership dealt Eric Maynor I was shocked. Nobody saw it at the time, but it was the beginning of our collapse. It started with Maynor and I'll never forget reading from players on the team that the plane ride right after he was traded was the quietest ever. Then a few weeks later, boom, Ronnie Brewer goes. Slowly but surely, the core of players that we had built up were evaporating before our eyes. I think we had the sickest squad in the game and it proves it because we went to the Western Conference Finals only to lose because of crap NBA officiating. Now let me ask you this, imagine if those players stuck around. Imagine the chemistry everyone would have together. Hats off to OKC for staying with their players and being patient, waiting for them to develop and mesh well together. Look what we have now and look what we had then. WE HAD IT. They let it go with lots of boneheaded moves.

Now criticize, curse, yell at me all you want. That's all everyone does on jazzfanz anyways.

Go Jazz.

 

[MVP]

Jazz are about being profitable, filling the seats and making playoffs. Winning championship while sacrificing profit is not on agenda.

 

[asian_roger]

The Maynor trade was mind boggling to me, but honestly, I only miss brewer for his SICK dunks. Even though he shoots funny, his threes can't be any worse than what the Jazz shoot. Just root for the Bulls.... The Jazz of the west with all the officiating love. Korver, Boozer, Brewer, D-will(d-rose) was a similar team we had.

 

[NAOS]

awww yeeeeah, the good ol' days of matador defense, no defensive philosophy besides "heart", getting pwned by the Lakers, and "getting a raise, regardless".

those days were sick, ya'll.

 

[Beantown]

Jazz are in a better position right now. We will be really good in 3 years.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Those days were sick, watching Kobe Bryant play center field and letting Brewer take thirty 15 footers and making two.

 

[Beantown]

Those days were sick, watching Kobe Bryant play center field and letting Brewer take thirty 15 footers and making two.

And watching Boozer try to shoot over Gasol, then scream at him as easily goes by for a dunk. Boozers yelling defensive is very underrated.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

To think, we could have Maynor in a suit behind our bench right now.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

KOC superhero for the dense thought we were stacked at the wings then he moved them all. Next he thought we were stacked at the PG positions then he moved them. Now we are stacked at the bigs so pretty soon we will be wanting with our bigs.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

And of course, it wasn't the Spurs at all that caused the Jazz to lose four of five game. It was all the refs. The Spurs were a horrible team. Stern wanted the big market Spurs to win.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If Greg Miller only cared about the bottom line, why would he allow KOC to sign Carrol?

 

[NCJazz]

When the ownership dealt Eric Maynor I was shocked. Nobody saw it at the time, but it was the beginning of our collapse. It started with Maynor and I'll never forget reading from players on the team that the plane ride right after he was traded was the quietest ever. Then a few weeks later, boom, Ronnie Brewer goes. Slowly but surely, the core of players that we had built up were evaporating before our eyes. I think we had the sickest squad in the game and it proves it because we went to the Western Conference Finals only to lose because of crap NBA officiating. Now let me ask you this, imagine if those players stuck around. Imagine the chemistry everyone would have together. Hats off to OKC for staying with their players and being patient, waiting for them to develop and mesh well together. Look what we have now and look what we had then. WE HAD IT. They let it go with lots of boneheaded moves.

Now criticize, curse, yell at me all you want. That's all everyone does on jazzfanz anyways.

Go Jazz.

Easy to say when it is not your money, but if they would not have made the Maynor/Harpring trade the luxury tax would have been huge. Seriously think Maynor and Brewer were going to help us win a championship? Suprised you did not bring up Matthews. If you cared to look at his numbers this year far from impressive. Are any of the players KOC let go/traded tearing it up besides DWill who was good as gone?

 

[Scorpjazz]

Jazz are about being profitable, filling the seats and making playoffs. Winning championship while sacrificing profit is not on agenda.

This describes every team in the NBA. Some cities have more to play with and more variables to move around.

 

[northeast]

And of course, it wasn't the Spurs at all that caused the Jazz to lose four of five game. It was all the refs. The Spurs were a horrible team. Stern wanted the big market Spurs to win.

The refs loved the Spurs.

 

[JJ Rage]

I think we had the sickest squad in the game and it proves it because we went to the Western Conference Finals only to lose because of crap NBA officiating.

This is where you invalidate everything you said.

 

[northeast]

This is where you invalidate everything you said.

That's just your opinion.

 

[feeko]

All of you bring up amazing points like the money issues and so on. I thought I was clear when I said it started with maynor, then brewer, and then it spiraled downhill from there. Obviously dwill, Mathews and the whole gang.

I hated boozer the most out of anyone. Sure we could have made a few moves where we were lacking like dealing boozer, maybe signing a 2 guard. But what I'm saying is that we had a great team and all of those players started dropping like flies after Maynor was dealt. It was a rippling effect. We were winning 50+ games. I wonder to myself why did the Jazz organization not build on this and fill in the few holes we had? rather than starting from scratch???


Yeah the Lakers series obviously made all of us cringe. That's why we could have made a few moves to improve our areas where we were weak.

I would have loved to see what the team would have done now. That's all I'm saying. Hats off to no one blasting me, yet...

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

When the ownership dealt Eric Maynor I was shocked. Nobody saw it at the time, but it was the beginning of our collapse. It started with Maynor and I'll never forget reading from players on the team that the plane ride right after he was traded was the quietest ever. Then a few weeks later, boom, Ronnie Brewer goes. Slowly but surely, the core of players that we had built up were evaporating before our eyes. I think we had the sickest squad in the game and it proves it because we went to the Western Conference Finals only to lose because of crap NBA officiating. Now let me ask you this, imagine if those players stuck around. Imagine the chemistry everyone would have together. Hats off to OKC for staying with their players and being patient, waiting for them to develop and mesh well together. Look what we have now and look what we had then. WE HAD IT. They let it go with lots of boneheaded moves.

Now criticize, curse, yell at me all you want. That's all everyone does on jazzfanz anyways.

Go Jazz.

Utah back then and OKC were not in the same situation. Ut had AK and D-Will with max contracts boozer getting I think 12 million memo getting 9 million. Harp was getting 7 million with bad legs both Brewer and Korver wanted more money. OKC had a bunch of guys on rookie contracts. With no proven players. So yes it was a hell of a lot easier for them to keep there players. OKC had players that were on cheap contracts we didn't.

 

[feeko]

This is where you invalidate everything you said.

Damn I guess you're right. I think it was me being at work and really frustrated from the team's effort last night. Thanks tho.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

All of you bring up amazing points like the money issues and so on. I thought I was clear when I said it started with maynor, then brewer, and then it spiraled downhill from there. Obviously dwill, Mathews and the whole gang.

I hated boozer the most out of anyone. Sure we could have made a few moves where we were lacking like dealing boozer, maybe signing a 2 guard. But what I'm saying is that we had a great team and all of those players started dropping like flies after Maynor was dealt. It was a rippling effect. We were winning 50+ games. I wonder to myself why did the Jazz organization not build on this and fill in the few holes we had? rather than starting from scratch???


Yeah the Lakers series obviously made all of us cringe. That's why we could have made a few moves to improve our areas where we were weak.

I would have loved to see what the team would have done now. That's all I'm saying. Hats off to no one blasting me, yet...

"Sign a 2 guard." You complained about Brewer being dealt, yet wanted the Jazz to sign a 2 guard that would replace Brewer.

How can you fill holes when FOUR of your players are making more than 10 mil a year? And trading 10 mil/year guys ISN'T filling holes. Jazz DID do what you are complaining about. They kept the core and tried to fill what they could. They kept Okur, Boozer, AK, and Williams, and the team was getting WORSE, not better, and when Boozer's contract ended, he wanted, and got, a 50% raise. Jazz countered by getting Jefferson, but the team didn't get any better.

The way it sounds like you'd want it, the Jazz would have "filled holes" by somehow signing nothing but MLE guys, which couldn't have been done in the first place, and would put the Jazz in Laker territory as far as total salaries go, somewhere in the range of 20-30 million over the LUXURY TAX, not just the salary cap. And for what? The chance to lose in the second round?

Keep in mind, during those winning seasons, the Jazz had home court advantage ONCE. Just ONCE. And that was completely lucky given the 8 seed Warriors beating the Mavs. You'd think this "great" team you're so enamored with would've had home court in the first round at least once, right?